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Re: So, If You're Not Speeding..... Don't Worry.... [210delray] by andre1969
Mar 06, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Mar 06, 2007 7:44 am)

Exactly -- reminds me of the tourbus on I-95 who had the audacity to tailgate and flash his lights at me for going the posted 65 in the far right lane north of Baltimore.
  
Don't ride with Starr Tours!

 
I had an incident happen to me a few years ago when a tour bus driver put his brights on me. It was on 395 coming into DC, traffic was a mess, but moving at least, and it was right around sunset, so those brights were enough to be blinding.
 
Anyway, the bus driver decided to try switching lanes, while I was beside him on the left, passing him. There was no place I could go because traffic to the left of me was too heavy, so I laid into the horn and gunned it to get around him. I was kind of at the point of no return, where I could probably get ahead of him more quickly than I could hit my brakes and get behind him (and possibly risk getting rear-ended).
 
Well damn if he didn't come in behind me and put his brights on me. My feelings in a situation like this are that if I can't see clearly, the only safe thing to do is gradually slow down. Which I did. Once the driver figured out he was pissing me off, he turned his brights off. But as soon as I sped up, he put them on again. So I slowed down again.
 
Probably had that bus down to about 15-20. Not the safest thing in the world, when the flow of traffic was probably 40-45, but maybe it'll make him think before carrying on like that again.
 
Do the police even go after these tour bus drivers for aggressive/reckless driving? Or is there some kind of political pressure/lobbyist groups that let them get away with this stuff?
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Big Sigh of Relief..... by ponderpoint
Mar 06, 2007 (9:29 am)
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  "operating a motor vehicle in a manner to endanger persons or property." I personally would like to see this increase even more in the future, we are all affected by this menacing behavior.
 
Can't be soon enough. Good factual information wesleyg, very frustrating to see somebody pulled over for speeding when a half mile before that event, you watched somebody completely intimidating other vehicles using their vehicle as a weapon - only to calm down when they see the authorities.
 
And with that, good-bye everybody! My wife growing concern with forums and discussion groups has been noted, and I am going back to lurking... Sling away!
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Re: So, If You're Not Speeding..... Don't Worry.... [wesleyg] by fintail
Mar 06, 2007 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: wesleyg (Mar 06, 2007 8:54 am)

"operating a motor vehicle in a manner to endanger persons or property."
 
That's a good idea, so long as it doesn't become a punishment for simply going 10 over.
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Re: I'll Save You The Trouble.... [1racefan] by andre1969
Mar 06, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: 1racefan (Mar 06, 2007 9:03 am)

After a couple of days, the police stopped by and recommended he close his garage door.
 
Back over the summer, I got a letter from the police in Annapolis, Maryland. I was scared at first, but it turns out it was just a friendly warning. The cops had seen my Intrepid while doing a walk-through of the parking garage there, and noticed that there were a bunch of CDs sitting out in plain sight. They'd had a rash of break-ins in that garage, so to get a handle on things they'd do walk throughs, look in the cars to see if there was anything that might tempt a thief, etc. I think they might have also checked for unlocked doors, but I don't know.
 
Anyway, I thought that was pretty cool of them to do that. Too bad they weren't watching when, about 4 months later, somebody ganked the front wheel off of that car in the same garage!
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Re: I'll Save You The Trouble.... [kirstie_h] by 1racefan
Mar 06, 2007 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Mar 06, 2007 9:07 am)

"as opposed to the County police who, as previously mentioned, are busily ticketing drivers who present no reasonable likelihood of causing harm"
 
Let me go back a bit and explain why the police were patrolling, and led to them spotting the garage door...
 
We had a rash of break-ins a while back, and some of the neighbors started complaining to the city council about the lack of police presence in our neighborhood. In the past 4 and a half years that I have been there, I have rarely seen a policeman that wasn't there as a result of a call from a neighbor. Well, the police decided to step up patrols after the break-ins and the complaints - I mean there would be multiple police cars patrolling at one time.
 
One thing I noticed, after about 3 weeks of these patrols, they seemed to settle down to the point of only occasionally seeing 1 police car at a time. The funny thing is the police car seemed to be doing less "patrolling", and more sitting by stop signs, and busting neighbors for rolling thru them.
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Re: I'll Save You The Trouble.... [1racefan] by the_big_al
Jun 27, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: 1racefan (Mar 06, 2007 9:53 am)

In the neighborhood where I lived in Mesa AZ, I would routinely see patrol cars roll through my street late at night. One time I happened to be out in digging through my truck looking for something when one rolled by and he stopped and wanted to know what I was doing. It was after midnight and so he wanted to make sure that I wasn't a thief. I think my shorts on a cold night and no shoes were a pretty good giveaway that I actually lived at the house.
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Re: I'll Save You The Trouble.... [thebigal] by 1racefan
Mar 06, 2007 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: the_big_al (Jun 27, 2008 3:16 pm)

I guess my point is that I would rather have the police patrolling the neighborhood, than sitting by a stop sign waiting for someone to run it. Now, I have no problem with them pulling someone over they happen to see run a stop sign while they are patrolling, but I just feel this would be a better use of their time, and more beneficial to the neighborhood.
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Re: I'll Save You The Trouble.... [1racefan] by kirstie_h HOST
Mar 06, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: 1racefan (Mar 06, 2007 10:10 am)

Amen! That's what I've been trying to express... poorly, apparently. I don't object to a ticket being given when the law is violated, whether for running a sign or for speeding. It's the lurking in the hopes of catching someone to which I object.
 
n.b.: my city was recently ranked #1 in crime. One is still, however, infinitely more likely to get busted for speeding than for stealing or B&E.
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Re: So, If You're Not Speeding..... Don't Worry.... [andre1969] by 210delray
Mar 06, 2007 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Mar 06, 2007 9:28 am)

So you've had the same problem too? I'm not surprised.
 
Do the police even go after these tour bus drivers for aggressive/reckless driving? Or is there some kind of political pressure/lobbyist groups that let them get away with this stuff?
 
I don't think there's enough oversight, both at local/state level and at the federal level. Consider the bus that went up in flames evacuating nursing home residents in the path of Hurricane Rita. Over 20 died, and the bus company was found to have numerous safety violations.
 
Or the recent bus crash in Atlanta that killed 6? I realize the driver isn't around to defend himself, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was driving all night with inadequate rest the day before. Regardless of the roadway's possible design flaws, I'll bet fatigue played a role.
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Re: So, If You're Not Speeding..... Don't Worry.... [210delray] by imidazol97
Mar 06, 2007 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Mar 06, 2007 10:52 am)

Actually the bus driver had been driving for 1 hour. They buried him today in Toledo, I believe. This driver had driven the route before with the team, based on one member's statement. The route was not unfamiliar.
 
I saw pictures of the ramp as a car drove along the HOV lane and then off. But there's no big sign with a yellow bottom saying exit only like our interstate signs in Ohio. It's just a plain sign almost looking like it's a high speed lane too. They've had 80 some accidents on that ramp. If I were the relatives of the driver and his wife, based on the view I saw from the TV camera taking the ramp I'd be talking to a well-connected attorney. I haven't been into that part of Atlanta for decades since I helped redo some houses in the north area wtih a friend. Things were rebuilt drastically. But that was not adequately marked.

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