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Going home I go through a traffic light that usually takes two or three cycles to get through because of the amount of traffic on this road. The road is two lanes in each direction no center lane for turning until you get to the intersection. Well as I am waiting in a long line of cars I see one car with its front end sticking into the left lane of oncoming traffic. I at first thought that they had to stop suddenly and veered that way to avoid hitting the car in front of them. But as I watched this guy I noticed that they would nose their way like that as if they were looking to pass. Well he finally gets to the point where the road widens to open up for a left turn lane (where it starts to widen but is stripped off as not a lane) this guy darts into the oncoming traffic to pass everyone on this tiny (but growing) medium. Well of course someone in front of all this who actually was following the lane markings starts to enter the left turn at it starts. Well the inconsiderate driver guns it again enters the on coming traffics left lane to pass and cut this guy off. 
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I don't like arbitrary use of red light cameras either. And I don't run red lights. Don't like the thought of the government monitoring my credit report, email, or phone conversations either. Excuuuuse me. Yeah I know. Luckily Texas is getting closer to reality, C  D says they raised the speed limit to 80 on some interstates. I hope they don't all die from the increase in speed. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/473.asp And as much as I am starting to hate the republican party, if she starts talking this rubbish, I'd vote for Bush(for the first time). http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2006/06/a_notsotimely_p.html But if you do a google for "clinton 55 mph" the e-noise tells you that would be HUGELY unpopular. Here's an interesting article... http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060630/1019905.asp And an interesting blurb... http://online.wsj.com/google_login.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticl- e%2FSB115223216789700182.html%3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj
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This piece of TX legislation is a step in the right direction!! Longer term progress can be tracked when it becomes "history". NHTSA State Traffic Safety System http://207.59.85.19/STSI/ Since Iowa is raising the speed limit to 70 mph, as imbedded sensors show the 85% percentile already being 69.8. I am swagging the accident and fatality rate on interstates (where the speed limits will be raised) will be the same as the year previously. This is hardly "rocket science" as the "speed kills" mantra ists would have us believe. |
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I don't like arbitrary use of red light cameras either. And I don't run red lights. If you don't run red lights then you really shouldn't care if they have red light cameras. Luckily Texas is getting closer to reality, Thats like saying Pluto is getting closer to the sun. |
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..."If you don't run red lights then you really shouldn't care if they have red light cameras. "... I would not agree with the quoted sentiment at all, even as I am not a red light runner. But then, even the LAW (as written and adjudicated) is conflicted about this. If you are hit by a CLEARLY at fault red light runner (or you hit an obvious red light runner), in the state of CA, you as the victim can be found partially to fully at fault!!!! This is of course a travesty and dead wrong in my .02 cent opinion. However the law does state that it is against the law to proceed even when it is YOUR GREEN if it is not clear to do so. Again anyone can goggle for the EXACT wording. So as you can see in adjudicating the law MY opinion does not matter much. !!! Things are truly NOT as one would expect either from common sense or whatever one would consider rational. |
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The keep right except to pass rule only applies to multi lane limited access highways and not to roads with cross traffic and the ability to make left turns onto or off of. In this case it is not being inconsiderate. But driving in such a manner as to impede traffic, like driving slow right next to someone else keeping traffic from passing. Not in AZ.  When it says preparing to make a left turn, it doesn't mean two miles away either. I see cars all the time driving for miles in the left lane going 5-10 under looking for their left turn. "28-721. Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions B. On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway." |
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In addition to what ruking1 said, there is the muddy defintion of what the intersection actually is. I thought it was pretty clear until I read AZ's definition: "'Intersection' means the area embraced within the prolongation or connection of the lateral curb lines, or if none, the lateral boundary lines of the roadways of two highways that join one another at, or approximately at, right angles, or the area within which vehicles traveling on different highways joining at any other angle may come in conflict. If a highway includes two roadways thirty or more feet apart, each crossing of each roadway of the divided highway by an intersecting highway is a separate intersection. If the intersecting highway also includes two roadways thirty or more feet apart, each crossing of two roadways of the highways is a separate intersection."  You aren't supposed to get a ticket for running a red light unless you are in the area above. Simply crossing the sidewalk doesn't cut it. But, our redlight cameras will happily snap the pictures for those that aren't in and then tickets get issued. I have a particularly difficult time figuring out the extent of the intersection at off-ramps when the right turn lane curves to the right. In some places it would seem that I could make the turn without ever entering the "intersection".
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I think also we should not drift too far from the "reality", in that while it is rarer than other forms of fatalities, a "T bone" accident can be very deadly and/or far more injurious. Evidently AZ and CA law is more concerned with the PC ness of it all !!?? 
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I think also we should not drift too far from the "reality", in that while it is rarer than other forms of fatalities, a "T bone" accident can be very deadly and/or far more injurious. Evidently AZ and CA law is more concerned with the PC ness of it all !!?? What makes it more bizzare is that Phoenix is the worst for red light runners. You'd think the state with the problem at it's worst would be more interested cracking down on it (tighter laws, real posted officers), rather than slapping a band-aid on (cameras that lazy about the pictures they take). |
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