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Honda Civic, Hyundai Sonata, Coupe, Sedan
#44 of 151 I have a 2006 Civic and...
Jul 10, 2006 (6:19 am)
was a three time Hyundai owner, a 2002 and 2003 Santa Fe, a 2000 Elantra my son still drives PLUS my daughters 2003 Elantra GT have had no major and few minor problems. Well, the 140k 2000 Elantra recently needed an alternator. This said, I am moderately disappointed in the Civic. I have told this tale before but in a nutshell it has a right rear suspension noise from new...8 miles on the odo. Now with nearly 4K miles it is really noticeable so I returned it on Monday 3 July to the dealer and it was found to have both rear shocks leaking. Yes, they will be replaced under warranty but I bought a new HONDA and now I am going to end up being a dealer customer lounge lizard again. I have spent much of my life in dealerships with poor automobile choices (several Ford Taurus') and hoped to not have to do that again with the Honda. If you scan the Honda owners site right here at Edmunds you will find owners of 2006 Civics with long lists of repairs including failed and leaking power steering pumps and components...power window switches...others with failed and leaking shocks and struts ...different ride heights (which mine also has) left to right in the rear...various groans and other type noises in the trim or suspension...cheap and easily scratched interior trim...noisy lifters and on and on. So, please do not call Honda trouble free and Hyundai a poor alternative to ANY Honda because it isn't what I am seeing. Yes, I will concede the Civic will handily outdo the Sonata in fuel economy but lets see...about 100 hp more and quite a bit larger and heavier car so that is about what one would expect. As I said in an earlier post these two cars don't really compete except for price where the Civic is becoming very expensive for what is delivered. Footnote: I am considering a larger sedan to replace an aging 1995 Dodge Stratus this fall...Honda Accord? or Toyota Camry? Ford Fusion (hell no)..I am about 99% certain it will again be a Hyundai but a 2007 Sonata this time.
#45 of 151 Lemons can be found on any assembly line
Jul 10, 2006 (6:42 am)
I think it is safe to say that bad cars are the result of inferior parts and can make their way onto any assembly line with any manufacturer. I think we need to understand that mass production will never mean there will never be glitches. I think to condemn and entire company or product line from the occasional bad car is probably a mistake. Like I said before, Chevrolet has blown it with me with the ownership of that 88 Corsica. The car was bad from the get go and the dealership lied on numerous occasions to us about what the troubles with the car were. That tends to sour your buying and owning experience quiet a lot. Today we expect perfection for our dollar. The cars our parents drove and the generation before them did not expect so much as we do and lived with the poor fits, the bad fabrics and materials, squeeks groans and sloshes. We tend to be far more critical today because foriegn manufactures raised the bar on what a car ought to be. So far I am extremely happy with my purchase but I have owned mediocre transportation for so long that my expectations may be far lower than some of you. Still you need to buy and own what you feel works best for you or you will be an unhappy consumer otherwise.
#46 of 151 Re: Civic for me! [medic4tx]
Jul 10, 2006 (7:02 am)
I spend about an equal amount of time on both the Edmunds 2006 Civic owners site and the 2006 Hyundai Sonata owners site and I have to say the 2006 Sonata has had no reported major faults of any kind. There are complaints of poor fuel economy...if you can call 19 city and 29 highway mpg poor for a car that hits 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds and tops out at about 140 mph...some "sloshing noises that are attributed to fuel in a partial empty tank...a thump in the rear suspension from some...some complaints about the lack of seat adjustment in the GLS model (the LX with power seats takes care of that) and a lack of complete radio controls on the steering wheel. Hardly a compelling reason to avoid Hyundai. Further, all or most of your complaints were addressed by TSB's which I found Hyundai to be quite "up front" letting me know about. I have yet to hear from Honda about what probably will turn out to be a bad batch of shocks from their supplier. You would think that upon hearing reports from the field about an unusual amount of shock/strut replacement on 06 Civics Honda would be able to compile a list of serial numbers of cars built during that shipment or shipments and notify owners of cars within that range to bring their cars in for inspection and/or replacement. But nooooo!
#47 of 151 Re: I have a 2006 Civic and... [targettuning]
Jul 10, 2006 (10:01 am)
After many problems with GM cars I bought a Honda Hatchback in 1984 which I replaced with a Camry in 1989 and then another Camry in 1995. Believe it or not, I never put a dime in any of these cars other than a new battery in the present Camry. Never had one single problem with any of these cars and I was not religious about changing the oil.
Although my experiences with the Camrys was great I'm now considering buying the '07 Sonata based upon everything I've read and researced on the Sonata vs. the Camry.
The fact that the Sonata, other than the engine, is now assembled almost completely by robots is, in my opinion, a big plus.
#48 of 151 Re: Civic vs. Sonata [cxc]
Jul 10, 2006 (4:59 pm)
I tend to drive not too far over the limit mayber 60-62 mph. Any car that is drove 100 mph would not last too long over a long period of time, Hyundai included.
#49 of 151 Re: I have a 2006 Civic and... [targettuning]
Jul 10, 2006 (5:04 pm)
I can understand what you mean about staying in the lounge and having to get a NEW car fixed. I did that with the Sonata. All cars will have problems no matter what make. The net is full of model specific forums. But the good thing is we have a choice to buy what we want and if we don't like it we can trade it or change manufacturers.
#50 of 151 Re: I have a 2006 Civic and... [medic4tx]
Jul 11, 2006 (5:28 am)
All true and I hope you find the Civic to be better for your circumstances...
#51 of 151 Re: Civic vs. Sonata [medic4tx]
Jul 11, 2006 (5:41 am)
Well, only because we in the U.S.A. have far lower speed limits (thank God because our driver training and licensing is a joke compared to Europe) than in Europe where many vehicles are routinely driven at 120mph and over for extended periods. Years ago while stationed in Germany the run-of-the mill Opel sedan we had routinely ran at well over 110 mph for long distances on the Autobahn. So,they not only survive but do it over and over. This is the reason BMW, Mercedes, Audi and others have become revered for their performance image.
#52 of 151 suv opinion wanted
Jul 19, 2006 (3:28 pm)
My husband and I are looking to buy a 'family' car...an SUV (no van:). We seem to be looking at asian made cars...he has a subaru and loves it. We did look at some North American cars and there really isn't much of a comparrison when it comes to warranty and quality. We've looked at the Mitsubishi Outlander, which offers a 5 year warranty (10 years on the transmition and engine) and 5 year roadside assistance. It is a compariable price to the Hyundai Santa Fe, which offers a 5 year warranty, 3 year roadside assistance and lifetime free oilchanges. The Santa Fe is a bit bigger and is a little cheaper. We haven't looked at Toyota or Honda yet....I have a feeling the CRV is above our price range. Any opinions as to which SUV might serve us the best??
#53 of 151 Re: Which to Buy [shyamrocky]
Jul 19, 2006 (8:55 pm)
my GF civic avgs 24.5mpg (50/50). very disappointing. we recently had our worst 22 something.
she chose over sonata month ago because she thought sonata was just too big for her. we almost bought lx v6 for 18750 OTD, then changed at the last minute.
so far we are giving 7.5/10 for civic because we are somewhat disappointed in build quality, AC(not cold, noisy), stain prone cloth seat, small leg room(my knee touches the parking break), no trunk key lock(LX model), radio(am is really really bad)and reverse noise.
maybe we were just spoiled by sonata rental's(driven 8 of them) comfort.