Last post on Jan 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Hyundai Sonata, Coupe, Sedan
#112 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [tiger72]
May 14, 2008 (4:35 pm)
The True Cost to Own figures are quite questionable.
The purchase price assumed is not the real world. Even Edmund's True Market Value uses a different purchase price than the TCO.
Measuring resale value against MSRP is foolish. But, I don't buy a car based on resale. I buy based upon what I get for the money. Afterall, cars are a depreciating asset, they are not an investment despite what car sales people may say.
#113 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [moocow1]
May 14, 2008 (6:00 pm)
I've never owned an Elantra, or any Hyundai for that matter. I have been driving Accords since I have been able to drive - an Elantra or Civic doesn't have enough room for me, and the Sonata's interior was a BIG turn-off when I was shopping midsizers back in Nov. 2005. I'm currently very happy with my 2006 Honda Accord EX.
The current Elantra is a great value, but the exterior can't be described as pretty in any way. Homely is a compliment to that car!
May 14, 2008 (6:28 pm)
LOL, im glad there is actually some conversation going on here. As far as being clue-less, I know ALOT of people in the auto biz, and I can work at ANY dealership that I choose, and I CHOOSE to work at honda bc I completely believe in the product (which makes me a good sales-person). THAT alone should tell you something, but you would rather say that I am clue-less. Just so you know, I am a Honda Gold sales-consultant, (ie I hit TOP csi scores yearly, I sell ALOT of cars, and I know the product inside and out and that makes me part of less than 5% of ALL honda salespersons.) In addition to that, I have won dealership, zone and district sales competitions, walk-arounds and delivery testing done via HONDA corporate. These are things that Hyundai does NOT EVEN BOTHER to do.
By just saying that SOME PEOPLE have to stay in budget does not make you some kind of genius. OF COURSE people have to do that, AND THAT is WHY they buy a HONDA over a Hyundai. Im NOT knocking the car but if it is SOOOOO fantastic as you say, why does it not sell anywhere near what the honda sells? Why does Hyundai finance almost ANYONE, including credit criminals, while I get the joy of "lot dropping" people who dont even deserve to own vehicles, let alone Honda's. As far as Hyundai goes, HALF the cars they sell get sold to people who DO NOT HAVE THE CREDIT SCORE to even think about BUYING A HONDA. In AMERICA, you CAN tell ALOT about someone by WHAT they are driving its just another fact of life that apparently is lost on some of you.
If you want to buy something based solely on price, buy a hyundai or kia NOT a Honda, we dont want you!! (And you know this!!)
If you want a "status symbol" buy a Mercedes or a BMW or an Audi, (again, WE DONT WANT YOU!) Enjoy your $100 oil changes and $1000 brake jobs
If you want to drive a wannabe mercedes buy a VW (and have it fall apart around 80-100K and not be able to get parts for it anyplace other than VW
If you want a boring GREAT car, drive a Toyota
If you want the BEST customer service, the best reliability, the best economy, and the best safety, buy a honda, or lease it (because HONDA's have THEE best leases, why? because AIG gives them the HIGHEST residual value of ANY MANUFACTURER IN ITS CLASS )
Also, one more thing, I like santa fe's .. i think they are good, but its funny that I can get one for THOUSANDS UNDER invoice but yet, if you wanted a CRV you would be looking at paying sticker + and waiting for it to come in at that because they are so popular right now. Again, YOU get what you PAY for.
#115 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [tiger72]
May 14, 2008 (6:39 pm)
Stop comparing one mid-sized vs full-sized on full-size standards. The reason Civic owners own a Civic over the competition can't be based on full size standards (e.g. larger engine, more seating room, etc.).
But you don't mind when someone compares a compact car (Civic) to a full-sized car (Sonata) based on compact-car standards (economy)?
FYI, this discussion is all about comparing the Civic to the Sonata. If you don't think that's a good idea, there's lots of other discussions in Town Hall to choose from.
I almost thought about buying a Hyundai until I saw that the True Cost To Own over 5 years is thousands higher on the Hyundai thanks to its amazingly high depreciation rate.
So that means Hyundais are great buys as used cars, right?
Personally I look at the dollar depreciation vs. percentages. I can't spend a percentage. A car that costs thousands less than another is at a disadvantage when looking at depreciation percentages. Example:
Car A: Purchase price $11,800, depreciation after 5.5 years: $5900. Depreciation rate: 50% (actually a real, personal example)
Car B: Purchase price $16,000, depreciation after 5.5 years $6500. Depreciation rate: 41%
Which car has the lower depreciation rate? Car B. Which car cost less to own, in terms of depreciation, after 5.5. years? Car A. And those numbers don't include the opportunity cost associated with the $4800 extra (not including taxes) paid up front for Car B. For example, interest earned by investing the difference, or interest avoided by paying off debt.
Everything else being equal, I'll take Car A. And I did.
#116 of 151 Re: LOL [lengalli]
May 14, 2008 (6:52 pm)
In AMERICA, you CAN tell ALOT about someone by WHAT they are driving its just another fact of life that apparently is lost on some of you.
Uh... yeah, right. Which Honda dealer do you work for? I'd like to avoid it if possible when I am shopping for my next car.
Can we stick to facts and reality here, rather than some Honda salesperson's fantasyland? Please?? Versus bunk like this:
if you wanted a CRV you would be looking at paying sticker + and waiting for it to come in at that because they are so popular right now.
Here's some recent posts from the CR-V Prices Paid and Buying Experience discussion:
7084: I was at Schaumburg Honda in Illinois last night and was quoted any CR-V at invoice.
7091: Just started getting some e-mail quotes for a '08 2WD CRV EX around the Los Angeles area. The range has been from 280 below to 500 over invoice + TTL.
7099: ...I headed there [Honda Barn near Boston] and got a CR-V LX for $75 under invoice ($20800 + $125 doc fee).
#117 of 151 Honda dealer or salesman?
May 14, 2008 (7:25 pm)
First he says he's a Honda dealer then he is the world's greatest Honda salesman. Don't know why he throws in CAPS all over the place---he said he was glad there was conversation but just wants to bad mouth everybody that is trying to make a logical point. Methinks the guy doth protest too much.
Nobody likes to read drivel like that.
#118 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [thegraduate]
May 14, 2008 (7:37 pm)
Sorry my mistake! that was actually a question to backy. If you ever are in the market, the new sonata's interior is far better than the past, but I digress.
#119 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [moocow1]
May 14, 2008 (7:39 pm)
I have seen the new interior and it, like the Elantra, looks quite nice.
I plan to have my current Accord for a pretty long time. My 1996 model has 181,000 miles on it and will be sold next year, leaving me the one 2006 Accord, which I hope will be around for at least that many miles. I have 33,800 miles on it now, so I have a ways to go before I'm looking again.
#120 of 151 Re: LOL [lengalli]
May 14, 2008 (7:42 pm)
Compared to the two hyundai salesmen I've dealt with, you must be one of the biggest sleezy jerk salesman I've ever seen. I don't believe a word you say because you haven't said a single truthful thing. All I see is propoganda, more propoganda, and more bs.
Why would it sell less? Because it's an up and coming brand. In fact if you remember the 1980's, Honda used to sell far less than GM. Did you think honda was a worse car company back then? You gave the exact same reasons for someone to insult a honda in the past. I could say a honda is the same thing as the 1980s and still a piece of crap. Would I be telling the truth? No, because it was a good car back then and it still is now. Try reading some real reviews. Hyundai vehicles are just as good as Hondas. Hell you can read the reviews and the edmunds daily logs.
And yes I get what I pay for. I get a great car, great safety features, great reliability, much better warranty, great interior, great crash test scores, and a cheaper price. What do you get for trying to insult other cars?
All of us here would call Hondas good reliable cars. Heck, I'd recommend a Honda to anyone if they want one. There's zero reason to diss on a Hyundai because of their so-called image.
One other sad thing is you keep insulting the buyers. I have a strong credit score and could easily afford a porsche or bmw, but no, I prefer getting a hyundai because it meets my needs. So I don't fit your demographic one bit.
#121 of 151 Re: SONATA VS CIVIC [thegraduate]
May 14, 2008 (7:52 pm)
I don't think I drive quite as much as you, but I'm in the same boat. I'd like to actually keep my car over ten years But heck I'd be surprised if I pass 70-80k miles. Good luck on your accord, it's an awesome car too!