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#141 of 150 Re: Noise... [redflea] by backy May 22, 2008 (10:56 am)
Replying to: redflea (May 22, 2008 10:33 am) Noise perception is interesting. Turns out that by the sound meter, the Elantra is quieter than the Civic at full throttle (76 dBA vs. 79, per C/D's tests published in December 2006). Also quieter at idle (by 5 dBA) and at 70 mph cruise (by 3 dBA). Sometimes people are sensitive to certain kinds of sounds. That may be true in this case. In fact, the Civic was the noisiest car C/D tested back then (also Mazda3, Sentra, Rabbit, and the previous-gen Corolla) in every case except it was 1 dBA quieter than the old Corolla at 70 mph cruise. The Civic has many virtues; noise isolation isn't one one them.
#142 of 150 Actual numbers by redflea May 22, 2008 (11:17 am)
Thanks for posting the numbers...I don't know what, if anything, has changed since 2006, but I would bet my wife's chihuahua that the Elantra is noisier than the Civic under acceleration. (And also bet that the Chihuahua is noisier than both.)   I think the issue may be the "full throttle" part of the statement...I haven't had either car at full throttle, but have had both at I guess what you'd call moderate to moderat+ throttle (to get the car to go up a road with an incline, to accelerate around other cars) and the Elantra was definitely the one that caused our ears to bleed in those real-world situations... Driving up an incline was particularly annoying in the Elantra...resulted a steady booming sound in the cabin .   I did look up the Civic tires (Goodyear Eagle RSA 205/55HR16) and wasn't surprised to read that they get low marks on noise, among other issues - complaints about wet/snow traction as well, lucky we live in the sunbelt. They do handle well in dry.   When we replace the original tires in the future (with another brand) we'll see a reduction in road noise, possibly an up-tick in mileage depending on what we pick.
#143 of 150 Re: Noise... [redflea] by moocow1 May 22, 2008 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: redflea (May 22, 2008 10:33 am) That kinda makes sense because the Civic is definitely designed to be a bit sportier than most other compacts. I honestly didn't really notice that much noise in my friend's top of the line Civic, but I don't think I've really gone through a ton of different situations there. Also we always have the music system on, which really drowns out other sounds. Anyways tires are always replaceable if that's a big issue at least. I guess Honda has one definite thing to improve on for the next Civic.   The Elantra's engine is one of the by far biggest reasons why I'm not a current fan. I dislike the loud unrefined snarl that happens at high rpms. It just doesn't have that proper asian smoothness that I see from comparable cars. Decent power just doesn't replace a good sound and feel.
#144 of 150 Re: Sonata synopsis [redflea] by hatch82 May 28, 2008 (7:46 pm)
Replying to: redflea (May 21, 2008 10:42 pm) i'm have a mazda 626 whit a 24 valve dohc motor whit 200 hp and run good special edition is a fun to drive and drift
#145 of 150 Re: LOL [lengalli] by dgs4 May 28, 2008 (9:54 pm)
Replying to: lengalli (May 14, 2008 7:28 pm) Dude my beacon score when I purchased my 09 Limited V6 Sonata was 740. I'm in the upper echelon of credit scores in this country. Additionally I make $60K plus a year (the plus are bonuses). I could have easily purchased any Honda they make, as well as any Acura for that matter. Guess what Mr. Condescending, I bought my Sonata because I WANTED to, not because I had to. I test drove the new Accord and I hated it. The ergonomics are whack, the ride is way too stiff and bumpy, and the wind noise on the freeway was intolerable during my test drive. I took an 08 Accord EX-L sedan out for a nice long test drive, and I simply hated. The salesman was shocked that I hated the Accord, like I was one in a million. He said to me, "you're the first person who I've taken for a test drive in an Accord who did not like it." Yeah, right...   It seems to me you are not an anomaly, as I'm getting the feeling Honda sales people think they're selling some incredibly superior product and that you need them, not the other way around. I was completely ignored when I walked into the Honda dealership, and finally had to ask if there was a sales person who could help me. My experience at the Hyundai dealership (Absolute Hyundai in Mesquite, TX) was so incredibly different, in a good way. The level of attention I received, and the whole buying experience was a pleasure. Although they didn't need to do much, as the Sonata basically sold itself. 15 minutes into the test drive and I knew this was the "one." I've had a shit eating grin on my face for the past month every time I get behind the wheel of this fantastic vehicle.   Thank you for reaffirming what I already felt after my experience test driving a Honda. I will make sure Honda NEVER gets my business in the future. Replies to this message: nissan (May 28, 2008 10:39 pm) thegraduate (May 29, 2008 7:46 am) 2002slt (May 29, 2008 8:27 am) thegraduate (May 29, 2008 8:34 am)
#146 of 150 Re: LOL [dgs4] by nissan May 28, 2008 (10:39 pm)
Replying to: dgs4 (May 28, 2008 9:54 pm) I would have to agree. Honda sales people are the worst. They act like they are doing you a favor to buy there "superior" vehicle. Hyundai is giving great customer service. Here, the give the first 3 oil changes FREE, FREE car washes for the life of your car, FREE car loaners for services, FREE shuttle service. etc. Honda WILL NEVER give you these. You may get a few hundred dollars more for your trade, but your service will not be good Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 29, 2008 7:46 am) 2002slt (May 29, 2008 8:27 am) thegraduate (May 29, 2008 8:34 am)
#147 of 150 Re: Shopping by price [moocow1] by nissan May 28, 2008 (10:46 pm)
Replying to: moocow1 (May 21, 2008 11:55 am) I too was considering a Honda Fit Sport (2009 new design). But in considering this I thought, is it really worth the discomfort of sitting in an economy car that has only 118 hp (2009 model) vs sitting in a near luxury car (2009 Sonata SE V6) with only 8 MPG difference? SE V6 has 249 HP (2009) and very good fuel economy. Also has 5 year UNLIMITED mileage roadside assistance, something Honda does not even have? No comparison.
#148 of 150 Re: LOL [nissan] by thegraduate May 29, 2008 (7:46 am)
Replying to: nissan (May 28, 2008 10:39 pm) Here, the give the first 3 oil changes FREE, FREE car washes for the life of your car, FREE car loaners for services, FREE shuttle service. etc. Honda WILL NEVER give you these.   Not sure how much good information about a Honda from a guy named Nissan, but I actually appeared in a commercial for my local Honda dealer before they moved. I touted their "3 year, 36,000 mile free maintenance plan." Also, they have carried me to work when my Accord has been at the dealer. They don't wash my car, but they are on a small lot in town, and don't have the room for an automated car-wash facility.   I'm not a big-shot once-a-year car buyer; I have 180k miles on one Accord, with 33k on another, and am 20 years old. Everybody gets good treatment, regardless of age.
#149 of 150 Re: LOL [nissan] by 2002slt May 29, 2008 (8:27 am)
Replying to: nissan (May 28, 2008 10:39 pm) Honda sales people are the worst. They act like they are doing you a favor to buy there "superior" vehicle.   There are several Honda dealerships in my area (4 within 10 miles). I visited three of them and none were alike.   - The first dealer was very appeasing and found me a car to test-drive, alone. After the ride I told him I was still just looking and not ready to buy. He summand his manager over to try and talk me into a "today only" deal. I walked out after telling him the same thing.   - The second was also very nice and got me a car to drive, but insisted on coming with. Afterwards, I told him I was just looking and was able to leave without incident.   - The third was the strangest. I walked in, looked around and was never able to make eye contact with a salesman. I walked out in their lot, checked out a few cars and came back in. Again, I couldn't find anyone willing to even acknowledge my presence. I walked out...   If you've been buying new cars as long as I have, you would learn not to base an opinion on one or two dealerships. All Honda salespeople, and their sales practices, are not alike. This is true for every manufacture. Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 29, 2008 8:34 am)
#150 of 150 Re: LOL [2002slt] by thegraduate May 29, 2008 (8:34 am)
Replying to: 2002slt (May 29, 2008 8:27 am) The third was the strangest. I walked in, looked around and was never able to make eye contact with a salesman. I walked out in their lot, checked out a few cars and came back in. Again, I couldn't find anyone willing to even acknowledge my presence. I walked out...   I had the same experience at a local Chevrolet dealer. Makes you wonder how they sell anything. I wasn't looking to buy, but wouldn't have minded seeing in the then-new Malibu (those on the lot were locked).

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