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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [moparbad] by carfanatic007
Aug 02, 2006 (10:06 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 02, 2006 7:26 pm)

For once I agree with you Mopar, it is Japanese made, and far superior.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [moparbad] by crimsona
Aug 02, 2006 (11:32 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 02, 2006 7:26 pm)

Location does matter to people. On the flip side, had any car been made in China, it would get panned across the board for shoddy workmanship, perceived or otherwise. I find it impossible to believe buyers would have no reservations buying a Chinese made car, at least anytime in the near future.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [crimsona] by hungarian83
Aug 03, 2006 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: crimsona (Aug 02, 2006 11:32 pm)

The quality of the Chinese built Hondas has been proven to not be as high as a comparable model made in Japan. Personally while I would prefer Japan-built, I would realistically purchase an American or British-built Honda with little hesitation...not so with a Chinese-built model.
 
Last year Honda's CEO Takeo Fukui even stated that the quality of a Chinese-built Honda is not at the level of a comparable car built in Japan.
 
China Quality Lags, Says Fukui
"Demand for Honda's Chinese-made Fit subcompact has exceeded initial expectations, and the automaker is getting ready to ramp up production from 30,000 to 50,000 next year. At the same time, CEO Takeo Fukui acknowledged that the Chinese version of the Fit has had some problems, most notably with interior fit-and-finish. "It's true, Chinese-made Fits sometimes have quality problems," compared to identical versions being built in Japan, Fukui told TheCarConnection.com. But he stressed that the automaker is working to correct the problem at the source, and in the meantime, defective vehicles are being "fixed immediately" upon arrival in Europe, before they are shipped to showrooms. A version of the Fit will launch in the U.S. next year, but the Honda CEO said there are no plans to import the car from China."
 
Here is the link.
 
On a side note, I believe last year 10% of the Jazzes sold in Europe were Chinese-built, while the rest were made in Japan. Having reservations about this sort of thing are understandable...especially when a CEO points it out.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [hungarian83] by shrinermonkey
Aug 03, 2006 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: hungarian83 (Aug 03, 2006 8:13 am)

But haven't you heard? ...reliability is a non-issue now since all cars are much more reliable than they used to be.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [shrinermonkey] by bodble2
Aug 03, 2006 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: shrinermonkey (Aug 03, 2006 9:55 am)

No, on the contrary, actually what I've heard is that aside from Honda and Toyota, everything else has such horrendous reliability issues as to render them totally not worthy of purchase consideration. Apparently VW, Audi, BMW, MB are all close to filing for Chapter 11 because no one is buying any of their models. It's amazing, you go down the street and you see all these late-model Euro cars, especially VW, literally falling apart right before your eyes! I feel sorry for many of my neighbors. A lot of them own VWs. It must be tough on them staying up late to fix their cars, so that I'd be able to see them happily drive them during the day, every day. Ah..but it serves them right, since they are all such big liars. I ask them about their cars, and they all say they're great. Can you imagine that, lying thru their teeth! I mean, we've all learned from the experts on this thread that VWs couldn't hold together long enough for you to get home! Thank God the Japanese still want to build cars. Or else we'd all be riding bicycles -- Japanese-built, of course.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [bodble2] by poita33
Aug 04, 2006 (4:05 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Aug 03, 2006 9:23 pm)

Audi sales up 10% in the first half of this year and profit up 36%. Are you trying to be funny?
link">http://www.globeauto.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060801.wwh-audi-0801/GAStory/spec- ialGlobeAuto/
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [bodble2] by shrinermonkey
Aug 04, 2006 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Aug 03, 2006 9:23 pm)

I must live in a bizarro world because everyone that I know that owns a VW regrets their purchase decision, myself included. I also have spend a lot of time working on my car in my garage, most recently reinstalling the failed ABS module and a new coilpack. Luckily these parts fail so often that their are numerous online busineses that you can send it in to get it rebuilt... and it looks like business is booming for them. At least most of the failures on these cars are electrical and mechanical so that they at least can look good sitting on the street... probably because they are stuck there waiting for a part to get shipped to them.
 
I ask them about their cars, and they all say they're great.
 
One thing that I noticed about most VW owners is that they are willing to accept a lot of these reliablility problems as the price of admission to the cult of VW. They happily perform these costly repairs and maintenance because they feel the trade off is worth it. I also drank the Koolaid and felt the same way but it has worn me and my wallet out and it is time to move on.
 
Statistics can be finnicky, but in this case I have to agree with them as my personal experience backs it up 100%. You can choose to ignore these stats if you wish and claim them are meaningless but IMHO you do so at your own risk.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [poita33] by cmk
Aug 04, 2006 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: poita33 (Aug 04, 2006 4:05 am)

poita: yes. Activate your sarcasm filter and re-read it.
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Re: I bought a Rabbit. [poita33] by bodble2
Aug 04, 2006 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: poita33 (Aug 04, 2006 4:05 am)

I don't know if "funny" is the proper word, but as cmk said, it was my sarcastic response to the previous poster's crusade against "statistically unreliable" cars. You'd have to go back a bit to read the lead-up to it. The basic point I had made, which some here took objection to, was that cars in general have improved so much that one should not read too much, and singularly, into a statistical ranking where one model may be ranked lower than another model, because, just as in the Bell Curve Grading System, someone has to come in first, and someone last.
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I wanted to have a FIT by tomsr1
Aug 04, 2006 (9:00 am)
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Till I found they are not available.I am glad
I got over it.I drove the Rabbit and loved the quiet solid ride but could not get past
VW's reliability record.I looked for a Mazda3
AT and none available.I just happened to
stumble into a Honda dealer where they had one
Civic EX AT and loved it and got it, then noticed it is not built in Japan but in Canada.I paid msrp but they gave me $1000 over ACV for my trade and through in a few extras.

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