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Jan 13, 2009 (7:41 am)
I like this thread! My 2007 Accord SE V6 lease is up, so I drove a few cars:
First was the Accord LX I4 automatic sedan. While not slow, it certainly was not inspiring.
Next was the Accord EX V6 automatic sedan. Lots of torque and you can feel the vehicle's heft. I like the leather seats, too. Then I saw the price and said no thank you. Too bad Honda doesn't make an LX or SE V6. And I understand why. When I got my 07 SE V6, the dealer and Honda almost gave me the car.
Third drive was a 2009 Civic SI 4 door sedan with manual transmission. I loved the way the car drove and the engine reved into VTEC land. The dealer wanted over $21,000 for it, and I wasn't a big fan of the tacky rear spoiler. Nor do I want to use premium unleaded. The deal breaker was a black interior. It makes a small car look smaller and shows every bit of dirt.
I also drove a "strippy" camry with the 158 hp engine and manual transmission. Toyota may get better performance with auto, but the manual Camry was boring.
Yesterday I drove and bought a 2009 Accord LX I4 manual sedan. Compared to the automatic, the manual is much more fun to drive. It is a totally different experience compared to the auto. Now comparing to driving a 2007 I4 manual, that model seemed slighly quicker. The 2009 engine feels smoother. If you want a car that is fun to drive and relatively inexpensive, give the I4 manual transmission a try.
This will be my 4th Accord:
1988 Accord LX 99 hp auto
1998 Accord LX V6 200hp auto
2007 Accord SE V6 auto
2009 Accord LX I4 manual
#773 of 825 Re: I4 or V6 [scubadu]
Jan 13, 2009 (8:09 am)
Too bad Honda doesn't make an LX or SE V6. And I understand why. When I got my 07 SE V6, the dealer and Honda almost gave me the car.
There is an EX-V6 that costs $2,100 less than the loaded EX-L V6 (comparable to the 2007 LX-V6). It doesn't have things like leather, heated seats, premium sound, auto-climate control.
#774 of 825 Re: I4 or V6 [thegraduate]
Jan 13, 2009 (10:40 am)
"There is an EX-V6 that costs $2,100 less than the loaded EX-L V6 (comparable to the 2007 LX-V6)."
I drove that model, and what a nice one! Unfortunately even the non-loaded EX-V6 is about $6,000 more than the LX with manual transmission.
#775 of 825 Re: I4 or V6 [scubadu]
Jan 13, 2009 (2:35 pm)
Indeed it is a nice one. Just making sure you knew what-was-what. Most dealers I've come to find out have only leather models, and with the recent re-labeling of particular models, it can get a little bit confusing.
#776 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [SELou]
Apr 28, 2009 (6:03 am)
177 vs 190hp:
EX's have a extra valve on the exhaust that opens at high pressure. This is the only difference; the engine, intake, ECU, everything from that muffler valve forward is the same. What happens is that backpressure change equates to a higher redline, 7100 in the EX, over 6800 in the LX, and the increased airflow north of 6800 rpm allows for the engine to go an extra 300 revs and get something out of it: the 23 hp. Having said that, and as you probably already guessed: both engines are only pulling 170hp at 6500 rpm, and all powerband equivalents back to idle.
There is no difference driving wise unless you really stomp on it, and I mean really stomp on it. And honestly, you probably don't even feel it, let alone do it enough to. 23hp isn't enough to throw you back in your seat. I Think the only reason Honda throws that valve on is to make it look like your getting something more out of the EX. If your spending more money, you want more power, right?
So, If your hung up on purchasing an cloth EX over an LX-P, do it if you want the larger wheels, cd changer, dual zone climate control, ambient console lighting, and that sunroof that I never see anyone use. (apologies to those few that actually do use it) If your doing it for the horsepower, buy the V6.
#777 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [arkdarkleson]
Apr 29, 2009 (5:29 am)
I think if I were to get an Accord or the new 2010 TSX, it will be a V6. I am ready for some power!! While still being efficient.
#778 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [bvdj84]
Apr 29, 2009 (7:14 am)
Considering the target market that the TSX is going for, the non VCM V6 should make quite the pocket rocket. It'll be interesting to see what the real world pricing will be.
#779 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [dpmeersman]
Apr 29, 2009 (8:01 am)
Yes!! I really want my Honda back! I have a 08 G6 4cyl now. I want to dump it!
I live in a small town, and was out walking today. I saw a RED Accord Coupe V6 driving around. I happened to walk by the car again in the housing edition. She was pulling out of her drive way. It was gorgeous!! I want it so bad!! I told her to be proud she has such a fine car. I would love to have that car!! However, I told her to watch out for our horrible harassing cop we have.
It is too bad Honda cannot offer a sporty 6spd DSG transmission with paddleshifters. Heck the Honda fit has the paddleshifters, even GM . I know a manual is best, but the automatic could offer "almost" the same fun. for me atleast.
What a beauty! I love that car. .... Snap out of it.....lol anyway..
#780 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [bvdj84]
Apr 29, 2009 (8:35 am)
A DSG type transmission would be what I would choose. VW designed that as a manual transmission with automatic capabilities. Shifting exclusively with the paddle shifters would not be a strain on that transmission as this was the intent from the ground up. Most vehicles today offering paddle shifters have taken traditional automatic transmissions and provided the driver with the option of shifting using the paddles. As this was not their original mission, consistent use may cause problems with these transmissions. I'm only speculating here and can offer no hard facts. But I have test driven a recent VW GTI with the DSG and was very impressed with the vehicle overall and in particular the DSG/4 cyl turbo combo. The new model hitting show rooms this fall looks to be an improvement over an already very capable vehicle.
#781 of 825 Re: LX vs EX L4 Engine Differences [bvdj84]
Apr 29, 2009 (10:06 am)
......I am ready for some power!! While still being efficient.
.........the numbers inherent to my 6M underscore your words above.....................
To 60 <6.0 seconds; 1/4-mile circa 14.5 on an abusive (to the clutch) launch....... In the flat AZ desert - 2200 rpm/cruise/no ac/87 octane/6th gear overdrive - i have broken the 40 MPG barrier............ best, ez.........