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Inside Line-Full Test: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid

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Re: toyota hybrids.... [stevedebi] by gagrice
Sep 25, 2007 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 25, 2007 8:00 am)

I might add to the taxi analogy. There are 100s if not 1000s of CNG Crown Vics running around San Diego with over 250,000 miles. That is common to get that many miles from a taxi cab. I dare say they are a lot less expensive to repair than a Prius out of warranty.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [gagrice] by stevedebi
Sep 25, 2007 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 25, 2007 8:03 am)

"I dare say they are a lot less expensive to repair than a Prius out of warranty."
 
gagrice, you owned the hybrid pickup, correct? I gather that you are not a proponent of hybrid tech any more? Or just not a proponent of hybrid pickups?
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [stevedebi] by larsb
Sep 25, 2007 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 25, 2007 8:00 am)

stevedebi says, "Trying to infer long term reliability from those experiences is too far a stretch for me. "
 
I was not doing that. I was responding to your differentiation between reliability and longevity, which are definitely two different things in the automotive world.
 
A reliable car will not necessarily have longevity. Example: I have owned a few cars and have never been stranded on the side of the road due to a mechanical or computer malfunction. From that, you can say I have always owned "reliable" cars - regardless of the total miles driven in said cars and regardless of how long I owned those cars.
 
A car with longevity: I owned a 1980 Datsun/Nissan 200sx on which I put 323,000 miles in about 9 years. That car exhibited both longevity (from the high miles per year over 9 years) and reliability (only leaving me stranded once for a short time from a rotted radiator).
 
So, in summary, a hybrid or any car CAN exhibit traits of longevity unrelated to reliability if it accumulates miles very quickly. It might break down five or six times in 150,000 miles in that first five years. But it has performed like a 10-year-old car in relation to longevity. That's like putting the car in a time warp.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [stevedebi] by wvgasguy
Sep 25, 2007 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 25, 2007 8:09 am)

gagrice, you owned the hybrid pickup, correct? I gather that you are not a proponent of hybrid tech any more? Or just not a proponent of hybrid pickups?
 
Amazingly enough I believe his profile also shows he owned a VW Diesel for a very short time. Perhaps the dependability of that automotive decision worried him???
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [wvgasguy] by gagrice
Sep 25, 2007 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Sep 25, 2007 10:46 am)

Yes I did own a 2005 Passat Wagon TDI. I bought it to sell in CA after it reached 7500 miles. It was a profitable car to own. It was both too small and too low to the ground for me to keep. After 13 months I sold it for $3000 more than I bought it for new. It did not give me any trouble. The 2005 GMC was never the truck I should have bought. It was a case of wanting a truck and GMC having a great sale. I drove it for 25 months and 12000 miles. I lost about $3000 when I sold it. I am in the buying used mode now and will probably stay there. Buying new cars is for those that do not mind throwing money at the automakers. I am not a proponent of hybrids. Not that the GMC was a true hybrid. It had auto stop which I do not think saved any gas. Too many systems in a hybrid to go bad. The GMC was never in the shop except for oil changes. Those were all free from GMC. Nice truck just a waste of money for what I needed. I feel better with my cash back in the bank.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [gagrice] by wvgasguy
Sep 25, 2007 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 25, 2007 2:15 pm)

I drove it for 25 months and 12000 miles. I lost about $3000 when I sold it.
 
Actually that's incredible. Like leasing it for $150/mo. Not bad (if you need a truck).
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [wvgasguy] by gagrice
Sep 26, 2007 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Sep 25, 2007 6:30 pm)

A fellow from Los Angeles wanted a hybrid PU truck. His other vehicle is a Prius. So after 9 months of advertising on Craigslist I got my price. Which was Edmund's TMV for private seller. It was not as useful as what I wanted, a beater truck that I could throw rocks or dirt into without worrying about nick and scratches. It was pristine when I sold it. Just like new.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [larsb] by stevedebi
Sep 26, 2007 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 25, 2007 9:05 am)

I stand by my original post and replies.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [gagrice] by stevedebi
Sep 26, 2007 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 25, 2007 2:15 pm)

"Yes I did own a 2005 Passat Wagon TDI. I bought it to sell in CA after it reached 7500 miles. "
 
I did not consider the "7500 mile" option when I was considering new vehicles in 2006. The "new-used" VWs were too expensive in my opinion. Plus, at least here in Los Angeles, diesel tends to be MORE expensive than premium fuel.
 
I am hoping for Honda diesels in the CR-V and / or Accord in 2009. I will be out of my current lease then, and would probably go with such a model. I consider the technology proven, and Honda has been offering diesels overseas for several years.
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Re: toyota hybrids.... [stevedebi] by larsb
Sep 27, 2007 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 26, 2007 12:19 pm)

As do I. I never make a post I would not stand by.

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