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Toyota Sequoia, Toyota Highlander, Toyota 4Runner, Toyota Land Cruiser, Toyota RAV4, Toyota Tacoma, Truck, SUV
#2428 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [pschreck]
Apr 20, 2010 (9:12 am)
"...I'm not fond of the old part-time systems.."
But they're the only ones that work, for sure work.
And as it happens most are RWD with the system off, not patently UNSAFE FWD or F/awd.
Those with a simple open center differential are only "pretend" AWD (4WD.??). Simple, simply ONE-WHEEL DRIVE using the brakes to allocate/apportion engine torque but only AFTER traction is lost.
Apr 20, 2010 (9:37 am)
Wow, you're still here. How many years has it been?
No offense, but I won't be drawn into an argument of circular logic with you.
My Sequoia's 4WD was wonderful for me. What works for you is another issue.
Can anybody else answer my questions?
#2430 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [pschreck]
Apr 22, 2010 (12:58 am)
No. Do not drive the vehicle in 4wd on dry roads. You can drive in 4wd on wet or especially snow covered roads if there is slippage. Just don't make a habit of it. Center diff is fantastic. I'm sure many 2010 4Runner owners miss it already.
#2431 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [canddmeyer]
Apr 22, 2010 (1:33 pm)
That is the main reason I paid extra to get the 2010 4Runner 4WD Limited for the awesome full time 4WD feature (hopefully there is no recall for the 2010 4Runner so far...)
#2432 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [agnosto]
Apr 22, 2010 (3:37 pm)
"..paid extra...for the awesome full time 4WD..."
From the way I read the factory documentation the newer 4runner's full-time 4WD system may not be as awesome as one might think, or buyers have been lead to believe.
Toyota stopped using the "torsen" term to describe their 4runner 4WD system some years ago now. In addition the transfer case differential drawings are no longer broken down to show the internal workings of the transfer case differential.
All that leads me to believe the 4runner's full-time 4WD system, at least the 2010 one, is a simple ONE-WHEEL DRIVE SYSTEM, just as the Highlander is and the RX series was until recently.
#2433 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [wwest]
Apr 23, 2010 (3:44 am)
"All that leads me to believe..."
Do you have any REAL facts to back up the statement? Are you guessing?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but how is a person supposed to make a purchase decision based on some internet guys guess?
#2434 of 2493 Re: Tacoma [pschreck]
Apr 23, 2010 (6:51 am)
"..how is a person.."
First, be aware that the salesperson doesn't know BEANS about the vehicle you are planning to purchase.
The RX330 was marketed as having a VC, Viscous Clutch, to help apportion engine torque to the rear with loss of traction at the front. The factory manuals indicated otherwise so I asked corporate who acknowledged, after I persisted, that the manuals were correct. I never saw an ad retracting the falsity.
The RX350 was advertised as having the VC but again the manuals differed. I was never able to get a corporate response on the true of the matter.
In point of fact when the RX series adopted VSC and TC across the product line in '01 the VC became useless even if included. The VC P/N for my '01 RX300 and the one for previous years is different so I suspect mine to be an "empty" VC case.
If the 4runner doesn't have the Torsen center differential, only a standard open differential, how would an owner ever know? Get stuck, lock the center differential, drive away.
PS: My '01 RX300 once spent 4 hours in the dealer service bay with the technicians trying to determine if the VC was actually still functional. End result...inconclusive....no known way to test and corporate could not advise.
The only way to determine functionality is on a 4 wheel dyno.