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You are in the Scion tC
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Hyundai Tiburon, Scion tC, Hatchback
#33 of 50 Re: Hyundai vs TC .. a few concessions for TC.
May 16, 2007 (11:25 pm)
Forgive me, somehow, I didn't see this (your May 10th) post before. It is a good and fair post, and gives me more perspective to what you're saying. If you don't feel safe with Hyundai, then of course, you have to follow your heart, and that should be the way it should go. As regarding your son wanting a stick shift though, (and I don't propose Hyundai on this, but) just as a note, their syncrho-shift, or whatever nomenclature they give it, is really quite like a stick shift, just as it is in other cars, such as Nissan, Chrysler, etc. that use that tech feature.
It is really pretty cool, a sort of clutchless stick shift. What I did find out though in driving (although I liked using that feature very much) is that the computer in the AT version shifted it better than I did, I regret to say. If I just stepped on the gas and concentrated on the steering, that was enough for me. So personally, I see no need to get manual shift in Tiburon, except slight initial discount at outset (which I don't think is worth it, at least not for me). I would not seek to 'push' the Tib on anyone, that would be wrong, only sought to bring forth some of my truthful perception. I have not experienced Tib past 16K, but up to that point had no problems, until someone made a left turn in front of me, that caught me unawares, and Tib got totalled, although it protected me very well, and took the brunt of the crunch for me. (By-by Tib.) However, I do salute my TC. I am now at 28k-ish, and keeps running great. Not exceptional, but very good. Nno problems or maint. prices.
The Tib was quiet, and as another person mentioned, the suspension noticeably stiffer, smoother. I had plenty of rattles in TC, quite noticeable. I got them to fix most of them, but I still get an odd rattle in the right rear, around the back wheel on bumpy freeways at times. Not a good feeling, a rumbly sound. Yet, Toyota said they didn't hear a thing, in two different testings. Hmmm, It still continues, and the overhead sliding panel to moonroof, is rather flimsy, actually cheap, not like the Tib's. Also, for similar price with Tib, I got leather seats, and tilt-able steering wheel. No tilting steering wheel in TC, where I could use it, although I never really used or needed in Tib.
Maybe Honda will work nice for you, or else that your step son won't even notice any minor neg's about the Scion, as I have. Actually, it is a good car overall, and I thank God for it. It's a good ride, in a sporty way, I find it outperforming most other cars around me, probably due in part to my aggressive style, I did add a few small enhancements for handling, etc. Respectfully yours, Rich
May 21, 2007 (11:38 pm)
I'm driving a Toyota 2000 Avalon XLS.. it's extremely comfortable and well equipped but I kind of get tired of the boring ride and would prefer to have a sporty car..
I looked at the Tc and Tib before but I'm not particularly impressed with either one.. The Tc doesn't have too much originality in it. Its powertrain is handed down from the Camry and a few other Toyota's. It's not really built for its own purpose and certainly, I would say it's not very sporty overall. The tib is decent, but reliability is average (according to consumer report). The tib's four cylinder lacks power, and the V6 is too thirsty at the gas pump.
Right now I'm looking at the Toyota Celica, Acura RSX, and Lexus IS300.
The Celica is better than the Tc in most aspects. Better gas mileage, better handling, better ride. The engine is smaller in displacement which would make the celica not as strong in low end torque as the Tc, but acceleration wise I believe they are not much different since the Celica is much lighter.
The Acura RSX is a pretty nice car too. Honda's steering is better than Toyota's. RSX also has good handling, and gas mileage is good.
The Lexus IS300 has an inline six so it does get bad mileage (it's worse than my Avalon's V6 which has same displacement). It's the only one that's rear-wheel drive though. Good handling as well, but acceleration isn't much faster than the other two.
#35 of 50 Re: Tc vs Tib [karateboi]
May 22, 2007 (12:31 am)
Your observations concerning TC and Tib seem vivid enough, you do seem to go full circle though regarding Tib's gas appetitite, and then ending with IS300's gas setback. I am too lazy at this moment (actually around 12pm) to do research on the Lexus, but generally, when I see them I like them, and there are some that seem to me to be quite sporty,even when they have four doors. They seem zippy, and eloquent to boot. As I said, I have not researched IS300, but I would think them to be in a quite different (higher class, but also substantially more expensive) than TC or Tib. (by far). As for Acura RSX, I thought I saw it rated around 151 hp, though I could be wrong. They look to perform well, but their entry price is around at least 21k+, last I looked. An attractive car, but . . . I would not push the Tib, but, for the money, you can get pretty well loaded (no, the car, not you) with leather seats, tilt steering, 7-speaker stereo system, Sycnro-mesh (or whatever techno-term) auto-trans, a more functional moon roof than TC, etc.) As for Toyota Celica, I could be wrong but imo they are not going to be making those anymore? A few seemed like they were trying to race me when I had the Tib, or else, I couldn't tell. But they are rated higher hp than TC, though they might be lacking torque, and their hp is at high rpm, still, I'm thinking they are faster than TC, though I could be wrong. Nissan seems to make very nice sporty cars, though in a higher price bracket, Passats seem nice, again, a substantially higher bracket, as is also the Subaru WRX, and Mitsubish All Wheel drive entries. Mazda RX seems of consideration in 25K bracket, as is also Eclipse, in about 23K bracket. But eclipse is heavy, and Mazda, seems to go up in price dramatically with just a few extra options, also, their torque is a question to me. And then, there's the Chevrolet niche competitor that comes with turbo, and around 210 hp. Certainly it's not overly eloquent or fancy, but it meets performance expectations, fun driving, and some good looks, as well, for a fair price.
#36 of 50 Re: Tib's Reliability [stepdad]
May 24, 2007 (5:01 pm)
We are buying a new car, and it's either 6-cyl manual Tiburon SE or the 6-cyl manual Mitsubishi Eclipse GT. We've been researching on this and other sites.
We both noticed the HUGE difference between Tiburon owner ratings on multiple web sites (all high) and the Consumer Reports rating (very low).
This gap seemed paradoxical, so I read the reviews to see what Consumer Reports had to say. then I read other reviews as well on the Consumer Reports site.
Now I understand: The Consumer Reports review of 2007 models is NOT objective when it comes to the Tiburon AND to other sporty models.
Here's why: Consumer Reports consistently TRASHES just about any car with BOTH of the following:
- sport suspension
- 2-door with a smaller back seat
The Tiburon and Eclipse both qualify (and the Scion does not), and both get very poor marks from Consumer Reports as a result. Read the detailed reviews for both cars, and you'll see that I am accurate.
Consumer Reports seems to assume that drivers of sporty cars want soft suspension. News flash: they don't!
CS also seems to assume that a sporty car drivers are expecting the back seat of a 4-door sedan. Well, they don't!
I rode in friend's Tiburon back seat (I'm 6 feet tall) and was reasonably comfortable for at least the 5-mile drive that we were on. Yet, Consumer Reports says that the Tiburon back seat is "unusable". Is CS biased? I sure think so.
Read their reviews again with what I have stated in mind, and you'll likely come to the same conclusion.
#37 of 50 Re: Tib's Reliability [ebchicago]
May 24, 2007 (7:50 pm)
It seems you have a bit of a dilemma since you are in no way comparing apples to apples. I have an '07 Tiburon SE and I love it. I love the way it looks, handles, and performs.
But it isn't in the same price or performance class as the Mitubishi Eclipse GT. The Tib SE is thousands less expensive (I paid 22 out the door for mine) and consequently there is a significant horsepower differential.
Not only that, but in my opinion, Mitsubishi ruined the design in 07. I don't believe the '07 Eclipse looks anywhere near as sporty as the '06 and prior years. For me that rounded rear end makes it look a bit stodgy.
Sorry Mitsu owners, I intend no offense. just my humble opinion.
#38 of 50 Re: Tib's Reliability [ebchicago]
May 24, 2007 (8:24 pm)
Hey Eric, interesting post. Well there goes, there is the answer to my scrumpled eye brow look like - huh? But as you probably saw in my earlier entry, I know what I know, and I don't have to hang my hat of satisfaction upon some 'removed' report from a person who is getting paid to make his or her (typically his for cars) report. Your observation bears the point well. And speaking of slanted, let me say this, I'm a 6' even just like Steven, I usually don't have people riding in the back seat, and consequently I had never gotten in the back of TC before to try it out. My girl friend's nephew, somewhat shorter than myself while in his teens, visited her from out of state, and needed a ride with us one day. I saw him leaning down just a bit to fit his head. I apologized to him, but he liked the car, and said 'that's alright'. Later, I tried to sit in the back seat. Gosh TC might be more comfortable for wider people than the Tib, but not for height, not where it slopes down so fast. And width wise, in the front seat, my right leg felt much more comfortable driving in Tib than in TC. Also, TC is notably lower vertically in front seat than my experience in Tib. As for Mitsubishi, perhaps a bit more classy look, perhaps a 'solid' car, certainly more hp, although more weight also. I think the other person responding summed it up fairly well with the apples analogy, I don't know how sporty the eclipse feels. It might convey a better image, and more power. I can only say that I found the Tiburon to be a fun car, to me. I suggest you drive them both, and pray about it. It's not every day one buys a car, and you personally have to feel satisfied with your decision and financial feel as well.
#39 of 50 TC's Morph-into-an-Orange Tib Commercial!
May 29, 2007 (9:28 am)
I had forgot about this particular commercial, but it's one of Toyota's "hip" CG animated ads for the TC and the car is running along the road while all these parts fly onto it, apparently to show its modifiable look. I swear the first time I saw this, which was at the end, I thought it was a Tib commercial. Then to my disappointment I found it was just a Toy ad. What struck me as ironic however, is how TC clearly takes a stab at Tiburon by adding the fins on the back and having the shark appearance.
And anyone that says the TC doesn't resemble a bloated '05-'06 Tib, especially from back, just isn't paying attention.
#40 of 50 Re: Bloating
May 29, 2007 (8:23 pm)
Yeah, we've got to watch out for bloating. But as mentioned in post, I do think the newer Eclipse has that a bit, like a chubby back end. If there's one thing I do like about the TC, I'm fairly happy with its looks. Yeah, it is modifiable a lot, but . . . should that really be a "feature", or can't it be more 'complete', if you will, upon initial receipt of? I mean . . should that overly put a smile on my face? I'm thinking, that a little bit more right out the gate would be great also. It is good that they have third party support though, you know what they say, keep that cash flow going, and 'money makes the world go round'. It's just another marketing slant. "Come and get your car for less" and now "come and get the rest of your car for more". Come on, who's fooling who? (Whatever, . . I realize there are some customer benefits with that . . possibly.)
Regarding the commercial you mentioned, I saw, but only once, I looked up at tv at Yardhouse, and it went by so quickly, I barely caught it, though it looked cool. I don't watch tv much. Again, if one thing Toyota does well, it's marketing. However, I'd be happy if some companies balance out the ratio between the money they invest into 'marketing', and the money they invest into R & D. I suspect Toy has relaxed a bit, but now saving its bigger efforts on Trucks, new SUV's, and Lexus. Lexus for sure, is no doubt a lucrative justification for them to put some effort in. There are a lot of rich people who don't mind overpaying for a product. As for their (expensive) sport coupe, I think people are much better off for much much lower price with a Nizzan Z, etc.
May 31, 2007 (8:53 am)
I think people are much better off for much much lower price with a Nizzan Z, etc.
And let's not forget the RWD, 4.6L V7 Powered Coupe Hyundai's producing next year!
#42 of 50 Re: Hyundai Tiburon Vs. Scion tC [n82002]
Aug 21, 2007 (2:58 pm)
i own a tC...I recommend you buy the hyundai!