Last post on Jan 15, 2008 at 9:21 AM
You are in the Scion tC
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Scion tC, Coupe
#157 of 186 Re: uhm.... [mark19]
Jun 05, 2007 (3:35 am)
Too bad that everyone doesn't agree with you. If you don't like the tC, why are YOU posting here? hmm?
ummm...because its a civc vs tc thread?
There is a lot of reasons why the civic does better.
I'll take the grandma civic over the girlfriend tc anyday.
#158 of 186 Re: fair? [kenlw]
Jun 05, 2007 (8:24 am)
sure you could break it down further but I seriously doubt the results would be any different.
If you conservatively estimate that only 1 in 4 are non-Si coupes, that is over 7,000 in April 07. That's still almost 2x the Tc Feb 07 sales.
I'm interested in real sales numbers of the Honda Civic Coupe, not made up ones. "Conservatively estimate" is just another way of saying "I'm pulling these numbers out of thin air."
For the month of May 2007 Toyota sold 6,615 Scion tCs.
Can anyone truly tell me how many Honda Civic coupes were sold last month? No guessing, please.
#159 of 186 Re: fair? [shado4]
Jun 05, 2007 (9:21 am)
go to temple of vtec, they usually post up hondas sells numbers for the month.
but i think that the whole sales numbers thing is irrelevant. We are discussing why WE think one car is better/different than the other.
Toyota sells a lot of camrys, but that doesn't mean i would take one over my rabbit. Just an example.
#160 of 186 Re: fair? [eldaino]
Jun 05, 2007 (10:11 am)
but i think that the whole sales numbers thing is irrelevant.
I only bring it up because of kenlw's post regarding Civic sales of 29,155 and tC sales of 4,399. If you're going to tout sales numbers as a way to make a point, then make sure you are comparing apples to apples (Civic Coupe versus tC), not apples, pears, peaches, watermelon, grapes to apples (all versions of the Civic versus tC).
Just trying to keep the discussion honest.
Jun 05, 2007 (12:15 pm)
I posted them as "interesting numbers", not "to make a point".
I posted the best numbers I could find and labelled them as they were. Nothing misleading, if you can find better (and the link certainly is a good one) fine. Good data is good data.
I clearly labeled the ones i posted and if someone can't figure that out, well, I'm wasting my time on them.
Should I also sort them by color? That's important to some folks, too.....
btw, I've owned 3 Camrys (91 v6 DX, 93 i4 LE, 97 v6 LE), a Highlander (02 v6). I know Toyotas and love them. But this time I went with a 2 dr Civic. Why?
Because the mileage on the Tc (my 2nd choice, the Corolla never made it past the "boring" cut) was much, much worse and for numerous personal (styling, ergonomics, etc) issues. Tc has some very good points (>HP, >torque, <$) but overall for ME, the 2 dr Civic won me over. I park next to a nice Tc daily at work. Even he likes my Civic's looks better, but price was an issue (he paid about 4k less), so he went with the Tc. He got great car for his money. I could afford more, and therefore I paid more to get what I wanted. to each his own.
Jun 06, 2007 (7:59 am)
good post ken.
i don't think that the tc is a horrible car, i just couldn't own one because all my sisters friends have one.
they both have good points, and then some not so good ones.
i do like the hp torque of the tc, but its safe to say that the civic is a better example of power in the sense of making the most out of engine size. And it does so while getting much better fuel economy.
#163 of 186 Blind Spots
Jun 11, 2007 (10:05 am)
I have to use the mirrors on My Type S alot due to high back seats and hate the blind spots.
Are the Civic Si and TC the same? I think I noticed on the TC the rear side windows have a two piece design.
Also, what's the difference beside no brake dust on ceramic brakes than semi metalic?
I only have 40k,but want get away from Acura because of cheap leather and paint.Honda's seem to be noted for that,let alone low end torque
#164 of 186 Re: Blind Spots [joem5]
Jun 12, 2007 (10:42 am)
you are proably the only person i've ever heard comment on cheap paint and leather from the likes of acura!
#165 of 186 Re: Blind Spots [eldaino]
Jun 12, 2007 (11:03 am)
No, the Type S is an entry model. So alot of people have told me to expect cheap leather on my car. I have had the front seat replaced under warranty,because it cracked open. My Integra's did the same. They have a kidney design that rubs when getting in and out. Go to some Honda forums and alot of people will tell you they'll give up the paint quality for the bullet proof reputation Honda engines have and reliability.
#166 of 186 Re: Blind Spots [joem5]
Jun 13, 2007 (5:49 am)
what type s do you have? they have never been 'entry models' usually better peforming and more expensive models of existing ones. i'm certain it an older one or an rsx (which is hardly luxury to begin with, but a great performance car), because that still would not suit the description of say, the new tl type s.
their engines are amazing though.