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#18 of 47 Re: '06 Civic Coupe vs. MINI [only1harry] by cct1 Oct 24, 2005 (12:33 pm)
Replying to: only1harry (Oct 24, 2005 9:58 am) I didn't say that the shorter wheelbase was the only factor, but it contributes. I mentioned wheels and tires--heck, just getting a few extra pounds of unsprung weight off each rim makes a big difference. And I wasn't comparing the Mini to a Lotus Elise, or Ferrari (that would be more interesting in a slalom course though), etc. The issue was between the Civic, and the Porsche made it's way into the discussion. And sway bars, camber, shocks, suspension etc. are obviously going to make a difference. But, I was just referring to a stock MCS. And for a front wheel drive car, the Mini handles amazingly well. As for chasis rigidity, which you mentioned, the mini is very stiff. Not saying it's the best handling car in the world, but it holds up suprisingly well against some fantastic automobiles, especially in a slalom. Didn't a MCS with JCW just win the unlimited division Targa in Newfoundland? (It did. And one of the cars in the unlimited class was over 600HP, 3 times the HP of the measly little JCW Mini S. All the big time horsepower cars ended up in the ditch, or in one case into a boulder).   As for the F-1 driver, not gonna throw his name out--maybe I'll see if I can get him to post in here though--that would be interesting. He ended his career roughly 20 years ago--I'll give you that though. Replies to this message: saakey (Nov 01, 2005 6:51 am) cct1 (Nov 01, 2005 1:31 pm)
#19 of 47 Re: '06 Civic Coupe vs. MINI [cct1] by saakey Nov 01, 2005 (6:51 am)
Replying to: cct1 (Oct 24, 2005 12:33 pm) "As for the F-1 driver, not gonna throw his name out--maybe I'll see if I can get him to post in here though--that would be interesting. He ended his career roughly 20 years ago--I'll give you that though."   okay, just as i thought Replies to this message: cct1 (Nov 01, 2005 1:31 pm)
#20 of 47 Re: '06 Civic Coupe vs. MINI [saakey] by cct1 Nov 01, 2005 (1:31 pm)
Replying to: saakey (Nov 01, 2005 6:51 am) The truth is I actually know two of them, but only one who owns a mini. I understand your jealousy, it's a blast to talk to them (The other F1 driver is from the same time period, and hates Porsche with a passion--very funny, and enlightening to talk to.). Really don't care if you believe me or not--it's your loss, not mine.
#24 of 47 mini is so... by explorerx4 Nov 21, 2005 (5:21 pm)
rolling artwork. everything in the car is styled. just sitting in it is great(which is all i have done). new civic is way better than previous(style). have not driven either. i would probably get a mazda3. Replies to this message: JBaumgart (Nov 21, 2005 7:29 pm)
#25 of 47 Re: mini is so... [explorerx4] by JBaumgart Nov 21, 2005 (7:29 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2005 5:21 pm) "have not driven either. i would probably get a mazda3."   How do you know until you actually drive them yourself?
#26 of 47 Speaking of Mini's competition... by raychuang00 Nov 27, 2005 (8:33 pm)
...Keep your eye out on the upcoming Honda Fit due in March 2006 in the USA.   It may not have the sheer speed of the Mini, but because of the unusual total body design of the Fit (for example putting the gas tank underneath the front seating area), the Fit has a very low center of gravity, which makes the Fit a good handling car even with the lower-end models. Install a decent suspension and a set of good 195/45R16 tires on the Fit and we might be seeing the first FWD car that could give the Mini a run for its money in terms of good handling (probably with better ride quality along the way). Replies to this message: only1harry (Nov 28, 2005 3:35 pm) bodble2 (Dec 25, 2005 10:17 am) claires (Nov 28, 2005 8:57 pm)
#27 of 47 Re: Speaking of Mini's competition... [raychuang00] by only1harry Nov 28, 2005 (3:35 pm)
Replying to: raychuang00 (Nov 27, 2005 8:33 pm) Could you please tell us of a tire manufacturer that makes a 16" tire in 195-45-16? I haven't seen anything lower than 205mm width in 16" diameter. 205 or 215-45-16 is a popular size   Does this thread compare the Civic Si or just the base Civic Coupe to the Mini-S? Because in all fairness it should be the Si vs. Mini S. A recent car mag tested the Si. 0-60 in 6.8s and 15sec 1/4 mi. I believe the Si proves to be the faster car in straight line acceleration. The Mini S probably handles a little better. Anyone know the Cooper S's skidpad (g) #s and slalom speed? The Si was .85g in the skidpad. Don't remember the slalom speed but I think it was 68.X mph.   Don't forget, you can always install Si springs, shocks & sway bars on your 140hp Civic Coupe LX or EX which weighs 150lbs less than an Si, and make it handle even better than the Si. The chassis is identical and there is no extra rigidity or special welds in the Si except for the suspension (unlike Integra GSR & Type-R where the Type-R had thicker A,B & C pillars plus extra welded plates at key points in the chassis for higher rigidity). I wish they offered a vanilla Si with no mooroof for additional chassis rigidity. When I auto-x my GSR (on sticky Hoosier race tires), I can feel the chassis twisting and the sunroof squeaking even when it's fully closed. The race suspension, polyurethane bushings, large rear sway bar and very sticky tires makes it handle so well but at the same time twists the GSR's flexible chassis. Dang sunroofs comprimise a car's rigidity and handling ability. I wonder whose brilliant idea it was. Well he 's probably a millionaire today anyway. Replies to this message: bodble2 (Dec 25, 2005 10:17 am)

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