Last post on May 06, 2008 at 8:58 AM
You are in the Pontiac GTO
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Pontiac GTO, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Coupe
#462 of 471 Inclement weather?Dirt roads?No more excuses plz.
Aug 29, 2007 (10:50 am)
As far as road conditions go...if that is the qualifier (meaning EXCUSE) that one has to use in order to equate the performance (meaning speed) of these vehicles, then so be it. (Personally, I dont do much racing in the snow or dirt). Also, 99% of street racing is in a line... the STI or EVO are better ROAD racing cars over complete courses, but on the street, the GTO's 400 ft/lbs. of torque is WAY too much for the little guys. (Also, the ls2's torque curve is as broad and flat as Ving Rhames's nose). Not to mention... I wonder what a STI or EVO would do against a supercharged GTO running the same level of boost? The real considerations dont even come into play until after the modifications get started. The GTO comes naturally aspirated with tons of room to improve... the STI's and EVO's come from the factory straining the very limits of what a 4-banger can do. The GTO is faster from the factory, and it only gets worse for the ricers from there.
#463 of 471 Re: Inclement weather?Dirt roads?No more excuses plz. [ebae]
Aug 29, 2007 (10:53 am)
Not true at all, tuned STIs can make more power, and in fact often do. There are entire clubs and threads on NASIOC for that single purpose.
#464 of 471 Mod & Tune the GTO the same way and we'll see :)
Aug 29, 2007 (11:14 am)
Yes, you may see an increase of 25 or 30% if you spend a butt load of money on an STI... but a GTO that employs a good turbo setup (i.e. Lingenfelter's kits) can experience a GAIN of 250-300 hp, equal to the ENTIRE stock output of the STI. As corny as it sounds, there's no replacement for displacement!
#465 of 471 Re: Mod & Tune the GTO the same way and we'll see :) [ebae]
Aug 29, 2007 (1:05 pm)
You'll spend a fortune to do it, though.
With the STI all you need is a chip.
You're correct, but we're talking about very different pricing levels for those upgrades.
Aug 31, 2007 (2:19 pm)
At least you have the choice with the GTO... all the money in the world cant change the fact that your working with an inline four against a v8. Also, due to the bland styling, most gto's were purchased at about 5-6 grand below MSRP including the incentives...MORE than enough for a supercharger.
#467 of 471 Re: Mods [ebae]
Sep 04, 2007 (8:46 am)
Meh, I think that's just overkill. There's enough power to fry the tires on both of these bone-stock.
Let's see what GM can do with a 4 door, i.e. the G8.
May 04, 2008 (4:14 am)
Subaru engines are not inline 4's, they are horizontally opposed or flat 4's, way better than any inline 4 I've ever owned. Personally I do drive a Subaru WRX (not STi), but I would love to own a GTO or similar car. Since I don't have to money to have both I took the Suby, I just like driving in dirt too much. As for earlier talks about the summer tires, I drove all winter on them through some pretty nasty snow and ice and they had no handling problems (they did throw all the snow into the wheel wells so I had to clean them out every other day though). I find the Subaru interior very comfortable and have no problem with the slightly rough ride quality. If you want to talk modded horse power numbers, there are companies making 1400hp STi drag cars. Its all in how you like to drive, just give me anything that I can have fun while driving. Right now I'm looking to put a 2000+ STi into a '96 Impreza Brighton Coupe body, much less weight and a plain, innocent looking body to hide the fun under.
#469 of 471 Re: Mods [misfit9845]
May 05, 2008 (10:57 am)
I wouldn't use summer tires in the snow.
#470 of 471 Re: Mods [ateixeira]
May 06, 2008 (12:35 am)
I got the car right as winter started and didnt have the money to get new tires.
#471 of 471 Re: Mods [misfit9845]
May 06, 2008 (8:58 am)
So instead of "house poor" you are "STI poor".