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Hybrid Prius that gets over 100 Miles per Gallon

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Re: Hybrid Prius that gets over 100 Miles per Gallon [shalwechat] by gagrice
Feb 28, 2007 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: shalwechat (Feb 28, 2007 11:10 am)

I am not disputing the current cost of hybrid batteries. I would just like to see some solid evidence that they have come down in price. Not just bloggers popping out figures on the cost of hybrid batteries 7 years ago. The price was protected because Toyota did not want to scare people with the truth. In CA with 150k mile warranty it is kind of a non-issue until you reach 150,001 miles on your hybrid.
I do not think they have overcome the problems inherent in Li-Ion batteries to the point they will be used by Toyota to build a PHEV. That 100 MPG Prius was a gimmick car sent to Great Britain to get those folks interested in hybrids. It is not an easy sell where there are many choices of fuel efficient cars. This is discussion of PHEV so I will add this from your link.
 
Q: Is this the kind of battery that would be used if a plug-in hybrid system is developed?
 
GS: A system like that might use nickel-metal hydride or lithium ion batteries. Plug-in systems need significantly more capacity than currently exists in the batteries in our hybrids. Toyota is exploring the possibilities for plug-in hybrids, but has made no determination about them.
 
Q: What about the third-party suppliers who are converting Prius and some other hybrids to plug-in use?
 
GS: Toyota's current hybrids are not designed for larger traction batteries, and the company discourages these modifications, which void the vehicle's warranty. The conversions that I'm aware of are very costly, add significant weight to the vehicle, and have not gone through the rigors of full engineering evaluation such as brake balance, crash testing and durability.
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MY PRIUS by urbandude42
Feb 28, 2007 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: timinalaska (Jun 27, 2006 1:03 pm)

to all people who ask about priuses. Get out while you still can!!!!!! I have a 2002 prius. New computer, new fuel pump, 2 sets of new tires. New whatever the hell its called change kinetic energy to direct energy. That last thing would have been 3,400. I Am DONE. I'm starting to think Hyundai, but I'll probably go Tooyota or honda, which I should have done in first place. And I don't care what u say. They suck, suck, suck. And the last thing my people said who worked on it? It needs another set of guess what !##$#$#$#%$%%$^%^%^ tires. I'm done. while the warranty runs out.
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Re: MY PRIUS [urbandude42] by gagrice
Feb 28, 2007 (9:08 pm)
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Replying to: urbandude42 (Feb 28, 2007 8:44 pm)

How many miles on the car?
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Re: MY PRIUS [urbandude42] by railroadjames
Mar 01, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: urbandude42 (Feb 28, 2007 8:44 pm)

You have my sympathy ...BUT...You speak of the 1st Generation Hybrid and not the 2nd Generation models ('04 & up). I own an '04 and have nothing but praise. Winter milage is 37-42 and summer is a pretty honest 46-48. I bought my 1st set of replacement tires (Goodrich)($200.00) 52K and have a total of 56K now on the Prius. Problems with the car ...other than 2 recalls 1) for gas tank modification) 2) Recalibrating computer, I have had only one problem with the car. Replacement of a burned-out headlight bulb that's next to impossible to do yourself. I finally took it to the dealer & let them struggle with it (20 minutes) no charge. I suppose not everyone can see the Prius as the miracle car but danged if it isn't close to it in my oppinion. One surprise I find amazing about my Prius....I'm still on the original brake pads 56K. Never had any other car go that long B/4.
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Re: MY PRIUS [railroadjames] by stevedebi
Mar 01, 2007 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 01, 2007 6:21 am)

"You have my sympathy ...BUT...You speak of the 1st Generation Hybrid and not the 2nd Generation models ('04 & up). I own an '04 and have nothing but praise."
 
I should point out that you need to wait until 2009 to reach the same age. Also, the items he listed as failed do not come under the extended emissions warranty, so the owner pays.
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Re: MY PRIUS [stevedebi] by railroadjames
Mar 01, 2007 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 01, 2007 12:52 pm)

Urbandude could help fill in some details....like you pointed out 1) how many miles? 2) Bought new or used? 3) Why the tire problem? 4) Do we all agree that the 1st gen is a much different breed from the much improved 2nd gen. Prius. We're all aware of the complexities of the hybrid Prius but with a more than outstanding warrantee I'm more than satisfied. Nuff said!
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Re: MY PRIUS [railroadjames] by stevedebi
Mar 02, 2007 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 01, 2007 2:18 pm)

"Urbandude could help fill in some details....like you pointed out 1) how many miles? 2) Bought new or used? 3) Why the tire problem? 4) Do we all agree that the 1st gen is a much different breed from the much improved 2nd gen. Prius. We're all aware of the complexities of the hybrid Prius but with a more than outstanding warrantee I'm more than satisfied. Nuff said!"
 
Please report back in 2009...
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Re: MY PRIUS [stevedebi] by railroadjames
Mar 02, 2007 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 02, 2007 11:42 am)

Why not 2012, since that's when my "hybrid" warrantee expires. I hope we're not bumping heads here but I'd just like to say that the info from "urbandude" left alot unanswered. Obviously I consider the '04 Prius an incredible car and I've been aware that you have differing thoughts. I would like to point out that I've never had a car that exceeded my expectations like the Prius. As to urbandude, if he fails to fill in the blanks then I'd say a pass is in order cuz there are serious holes in his info. I can't speak about the '02 Prius but I have considerable knowledge as to the performance, handling, and quality of "my" Prius and with 3-1/2 yrs behind the wheel I can honestly state...2nd Gen. Prius is the car of the future here today. Nuff said!
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Re: MY PRIUS [railroadjames] by stevedebi
Mar 05, 2007 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 02, 2007 12:11 pm)

"Why not 2012, since that's when my "hybrid" warrantee expires. "
 
Because the items he mentioned are not part of the "hybrid warranty", and have a 3 year / 36K (or possibly 50K) warranty.
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Re: MY PRIUS [stevedebi] by railroadjames
Mar 05, 2007 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 05, 2007 1:28 pm)

You're right except I , like most prudent car buyers these days, have an extended warrantee, thus confident that my bases are covered. I have to admit though that the Prius has proven to exceed quality and dependability issues for me. Although there is no perfect car out there...This is as close as I've ever come to that holy grail of transportation.

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