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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [jlflemmons] by cardoc50
Jul 28, 2009 (3:18 pm)
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Replying to: jlflemmons (Jul 27, 2009 3:00 pm)

RW2 thank you for the nice words. I have been a mechanic for Ford motor company and General motors for 38 years. I am not a genius but heat from air temperature rise will not blow or (pop) a fuse. And did'nt you say you had a 2000
model Blazer? Not a 1960 Chrysler? Just glad I could be of help and thanks again.
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [cardoc50] by jlflemmons
Jul 28, 2009 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: cardoc50 (Jul 28, 2009 3:18 pm)

No, the heat underhood alone will not pop the fuse. But the high underhood temps combined with a fuse element heated by it's rated current can definitely blow a fuse. Electric current is what causes the temperature to rise in the fuse element. When it gets hot enough, it melts and opens.
 
The same issue can occur with automatic resetting circuit breakers, such as on some headlamp circuits. The breaker will trip, and reset when it cools down. Many years ago I was called down to Houston where a prototype industrial truck was undergoing environmental testing. Seems they were tripping the breakers for the AC unit cooling the instrument cab. Current monitoring showed they were only at 80% of the circuit breaker rating. But they were testing inside a heat chamber, and the combined effect lowered the capacity of the breaker.
 
This was very common on GM back in 68 -76. Happened all the time when the Houston area temps went up into the 100 range. Folks would hop in their cars after work, start the car, flip the AC on high, and in about five minutes the high blower fuse would pop. Car would come to the shop and there would be nothing at all wrong with the blower. The high speed blower fuse was a separate inline fuse holder back behind the aircleaner on the firewall. We would routinely move the holder over to the low side of the AC drier and attach it there. Problem solved, the freon line would keep the fuse cool.
 
This isn't just a car issue, this is common to all passive circuit protection devices. They are tripped by heat caused by electrical current. Automotive and industrial fuses are rated at 25C, as is the AGC30 that was typically used on the high speed blower circuit. More than one blower motor has been changed thinking it was the cause of the blown fuses.
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [jlflemmons] by cardoc50
Jul 29, 2009 (4:30 am)
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Replying to: jlflemmons (Jul 28, 2009 9:04 pm)

Sir, if you knew the answer to R2W's question,you should have gave him a simple answer to his simple question not ramble on about 60 model cars. Todays vehicles are designed to use thinner engine oil and run at much higher temperatures. Thermostats right at almost 200 degrees. If engine compartment heat can blow afuse ,there would be cars sitting by the highway everywhere. The gentelman had a 2000 year model that is designed to operate at extremely high temperatures.You keep refering to cars built 40 years ago. It is what it is! I get on here to try to help people,not argue. Thak you and have a great day!
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [cardoc50] by jlflemmons
Jul 29, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: cardoc50 (Jul 29, 2009 4:30 am)

Cardoc50,
 
I am not trying to argue with anyone here, just pointing out that in my 40+ years of working on electrical systems in both automobiles and industry that there are more things than just over current that can blow a fuse. I am glad your expertise was of good use to him, and I am glad his problem is resolved. My apologies if I have offended you.
 
jflemmons
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more tail light issues by custom_scout
Aug 02, 2009 (7:29 am)
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so i started reading through the forum pages to see if any one else has had the problems i have had with these lights and after reading quite a few pages, i figured i would just post a thread, so i appologize for being redundant. so im working on a 95 jimmy 4 wd 4 door. the runnig lights work fine (head lamps, hi and low, parking lamps, front and rear) but the insturment lights are out, the brake lights dont work (including high mount) and no turn signals work at all including the 4 ways. i know the brake switch works because it kicks the cruise controll off when you hit the brakes, and when you hit the turn signal lever to signal left or right it sounds like the flasher lets out one click, but no lights light up. it could be a circuit breaker and not the flasher though. all the fuses on the left side dash are fine and there is no power to the signals at the sockets, so its not a ground issue. if some one could give me an idea of whats wrong that would be great, i dont want to have my buddy spend 250 on a multi function switch if it could be something else. thanks for your help.
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [jlflemmons] by tidester HOST
Aug 02, 2009 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: jlflemmons (Jul 29, 2009 12:54 pm)

there are more things than just over current that can blow a fuse
 
I'm curious. Can you elaborate?
 
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [tidester] by jlflemmons
Aug 02, 2009 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Aug 02, 2009 12:06 pm)

Sure. Things like a loose fuse holder. Causes an increase in contact resistance, and more heat. Fuses are blown by heat, whether caused by excess current, ambient temperature, or high resistance in the fuse holder itself. Not uncommon to see a fuse blow when a cheap inline holder is used on a high current circuit. Sometimes, if the fuse is rated high enough, the holder itself will melt before the fuse does. All fuses have a specific resistance (very low, but exact) so that when the rated current is reached, the resistance will cause a rise in temperature of the fuse element and cause it to melt. In the case of, for example, an ATC30 automotive fuse, the melting point/time varies by the current applied. At 30A, it will get warm, but maintain integrity. At 35A, the heat will rise to melting point in 10sec, 40A in 5sec, and 80A in 1/2 sec. A dead short from a high current source (ie: the battery) will melt the fuse pretty much instantly. But if you are running at 30A, and with a poor fuse holder contact, the additional rise in temperature applied to the blade of the fuse will lower the current capacity of the fuse. Also, unless otherwise specified, fuses are rated at 25 degrees C, so if you are pushing the limit of the fuse at sub-freezing temps, summer temps will most likely cause the fuse to melt.
 
In an auto-resetting circuit breaker such as used in a headlight circuit, the same principles apply. When the temperature of the circuit breaker reaches a pre-designed point, the circuit path opens, causing a cool down. Once it cools down, it closes the current path and will repeat the cycle until the fault is corrected.
 
A really neat trick is to SOLDER a low current fuse into a circuit without "blowing" the fuse. Which is why Bussmann/Cooper always advises to solder inline holders before installing the fuse.
 
Not so much with automotive applications, but in industrial apps a poorly mounted fuse block can open a fuse through vibration.
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Re: 2000 Chevy blazer rear hatch [jlflemmons] by tidester HOST
Aug 02, 2009 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: jlflemmons (Aug 02, 2009 5:40 pm)

Thank you for that reply - very informative and helpful!
 
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2002 Blazer - Ignition Swith, blown fuse, LED panel by steveo16
Aug 04, 2009 (2:51 pm)
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I am having a problem with my LED panel lights (Shift position indicator and odometer). When my ignition switch is in the RUN position, the shift position indicator, odometer and radio stop working. When the key is turned back to the OFF position, they all work fine. When the key is turned back to the LOCK position and pulled out, the radio is still on. Also, the 10amp "Cruise Control Module and Switch, Body Control Module, Heated Seats" fuse keeps blowing out and the temperature gauge does not appear to be working.
 
Is this an ignition switch problem or something worse?
 
Are all of these problems related or is it more than one problem?

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