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#175 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2] by praz Sep 24, 2008 (9:34 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 6:18 am) As mentioned before, one should not compare ES to Camry or Avalon. That said, a person might cross shop between Camry, Avalon and ES depending on his needs, affordability, taste and above all value for the money in his perspective. I still think that most of them considering Camry will not cross shop with ES as it is a big jump from family to luxury segment. The approximate price between Camry XLE/Avalon Limited/ES equally equipped is $33,000/$38,000/$43,000 after 5 years (w/o maintenance costs) while considering $1,000 below invoice for Toyota and at invoice for ES, better financing rate on Toyota than Lexus. The numbers are just approximations with zero down and OTD price with 8% sales tax and TTL. My 2 cents, if you are planning to keep the vehicle for 10 years, don't intend to put lot of miles and can afford to pay premium, than go for Lexus. Luxury, dealer/service experience and resale value is amongst the best in the industry. I also don't think that the engine used in Rav4/Highlander/Venza/Camry/Avalon/ES/RX are different. Replies to this message: captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 12:00 pm) praz (Sep 24, 2008 12:52 pm) captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 12:35 pm) praz (Sep 24, 2008 3:52 pm) tjc78 (Sep 25, 2008 4:25 am)
#176 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [praz] by captain2 Sep 24, 2008 (12:00 pm)
Replying to: praz (Sep 24, 2008 9:34 am) the only difference I have with this is that it is logical to compare the ES with the Camry XLE - despite differences in badge perception, dealer service, and even fit and finish - there is still very little from the bling dept. that can't be had with the cheaper Camry. And it remains true that they are identical in size and certainly mechanically. It is the physically larger Avalon that makes the suspect comparison. It is kinda like tjc78 mentioned, if you can accept a DTS buyer shopping the Lucerne, or the Town Car buyer shopping the Marquis why is that really any different than what we have here? Replies to this message: praz (Sep 24, 2008 12:52 pm)
#177 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [praz] by captain2 Sep 24, 2008 (12:35 pm)
Replying to: praz (Sep 24, 2008 9:34 am) I also don't think that the engine used in Rav4/Highlander/Venza/Camry/Avalon/ES/RX are different.   not only that but Toyota planned it that way. Back in 2004 Toyota was 'saddled' with a perfectly good group of V6s (despite 'sludging') that were short about 50hp. So they spent literally hundreds of millions to develop the 2GR series actually from the existing 4 liter truck engine and put it first in the 05 Avalon. Turned out to be a helluva good decision, an engine easily good enough for a multitude of uses, plenty good enough to be fitted in any Lexus, and still save the companies a bunch of money. I would even go one step further and include the FSE variant that's in the IS and GS, direct injection while it may make for 40 or 50 more HP does not in itself change what the 2GR is - simply one of THE best V6 engines ever made!. Replies to this message: praz (Sep 24, 2008 3:52 pm) tjc78 (Sep 25, 2008 4:25 am)
#178 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2] by praz Sep 24, 2008 (12:52 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 12:00 pm) tjc78 was talking about driving dynamics and both cars are pretty close, otherwise they are different. They might share the same engine, transmission and wheelbase which are most important part of the car but other than that, they don't share anything. If some or most of them are happy that they bought cheaper ES or ES w/4 cylinder than they are SOMETHING. Camry sells the best in it's class so they want to carry the same size, engine and transmission to ES to reduce cost and be competitive. This will also help to keep the maintenance costs low. I would suggest you or any other person who strongly feel that Camry and ES are same to spend a day with both the cars back to back. I have come across more posts about these two cars than Accord/TL, Toureg/Q7/Cayenne, MDX/Pilot, Highlander/RX, etc. and it might be because they looked almost the same until 2007 model year.
#179 of 194 Well... by pat HOST Sep 24, 2008 (2:13 pm)
I guess the thing is that this is a discussion specifically for the purpose of comparing the top of the line Avalon with the ES 350. I think those who do not feel that is an appropriate comparison should feel free not to participate.   Other comparison topics are welcome. Check out the model listings to see if something suitable is already underway and if you don't see what you'd like, feel free to create it.   Thanks! Replies to this message: praz (Sep 24, 2008 2:57 pm) pat (Sep 25, 2008 4:07 am)
#180 of 194 Re: Well... [pat] by praz Sep 24, 2008 (2:57 pm)
Replying to: pat (Sep 24, 2008 2:13 pm) Pat, I agree that this is a discussion for comparison between ES and Avalon but still I do not understand that if someone does not feel right about comparing two should not participate. To understand your message better, can I disagree for comparison between Avalon and ES? Replies to this message: pat (Sep 25, 2008 4:07 am)
#181 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2] by praz Sep 24, 2008 (3:52 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 12:35 pm) Captain, you know about Toyota pretty well, impressed. I think, I am barred from this discussion or for any car comparison, I suppose, so good luck to all Camry buyers.
#182 of 194 Re: Well... [praz] by pat HOST Sep 25, 2008 (4:07 am)
Replying to: praz (Sep 24, 2008 2:57 pm) You have already made your feelings well known. Thank you for that. But there is no reason to hang around here to keep repeating them.   Let those who want to discuss how these cars compare do so.   Thank you.
#183 of 194 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2] by tjc78 Sep 25, 2008 (4:25 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Sep 24, 2008 12:35 pm) Turned out to be a helluva good decision, an engine easily good enough for a multitude of uses, plenty good enough to be fitted in any Lexus,   Don't forget the fact that not only does the 2GR produce more power it does so with better FE than the 3.0/3.3.    the 2GR is - simply one of THE best V6 engines ever made!.   After 28K miles on my Avalon I can't agree more.

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