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Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES 350
#156 of 268 Re: 2009 Toyota Avalon vs. 2009 Lexus ES 350 [hanscua]
Sep 19, 2008 (6:30 am)
Toyota... Are you listening......?....
#157 of 268 Preaching to the converted
Sep 21, 2008 (7:41 pm)
I wonder how someone could preach the virtues of the Avalon Limited to a Lexus forum, it's funny by stuff happens. The Avi and 350 are targeted at two different types of buyers. The Avi is a nice vehicle and I considered buying one myself and I know about all the features trust me, but what sold me on the 350 was its size and looks AND features. I simply don't want a big car. If I considered anything other than the 350 it would probably be a 08 or 09 CTS. The 350 looks better and I like how it drives. Now that is subjective, because someone else may come along and say, "Hey the Avi is the greatest car since the Model T" So, lets appreciate that no matter what, some folks will relish vanilla ice cream while others will relish strawberry and move on. Most of the folks who buy the 350 have already considered the Avi so you're preaching to the converted (converted to 350), Go to a Chrysler 300 forum and try to convert them.....
#158 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [lexpaul]
Sep 21, 2008 (8:15 pm)
I am in mid-30's and never considered Avalon. With 350, Lexus has targeted mid-30's while Avalon still tagets at 50+, my opinion. I don't think people will shop Avalon after driving ES, totally different car.
#159 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [lexpaul]
Sep 22, 2008 (1:19 am)
Actually, this discussion is part of the ES 350 group and the Avalon group. It's not specifically a "Lexus forum."
#160 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [praz]
Sep 22, 2008 (4:54 am)
I don't think people will shop Avalon after driving ES, totally different car
Really? Same engine, same frame, mostly the same suspension...... They drive similar, the size is the biggest difference. IMO if you need the size go for the Avalon, if you like the smaller vehicle go for the ES at a small price premium.
#161 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [tjc78]
Sep 22, 2008 (5:27 am)
Camry, Avalon, ES, Highlander, Venza, RX share same engine, transmission(next model year for crossover's), etc. Are they all the same, no, it all depends on need, taste and $$$. ES stands out and is much better than the Camry or Avalon, go figure. Also, if the customer is less than 50 years and choose Avalon over ES for size than they have serious health issues called obesity.
#162 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [praz]
Sep 22, 2008 (6:44 am)
"Also, if the customer is less than 50 years and choose Avalon over ES for size than they have serious health issues called obesity. "
Nice gratuitous insult. Not needed. I've looked at both, currently drive an ES300, and the ES350 is not acceptible because of the compromises made to styling. The rear door opening has been squashed to go after the 4-door coupe look. I want to take friends and clients out without apolgizing for the accomodations.
#163 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [texases]
Sep 22, 2008 (6:59 am)
I am sorry if my comments has offended anyone, I did not intend to do that.
#164 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [praz]
Sep 22, 2008 (7:21 am)
Also, if the customer is less than 50 years and choose Avalon over ES for size than they have serious health issues called obesity.
Wow... I certainly hope you are the mecca of physical fitness to make that statement. I am just 30 and picked the Avalon for its size because yes I am on the bigger side and 2) when I do take people out I (they) appreciate the extra room. For the driver the front seating area is very similar in the two cars and even though I guess I "have serious health issues" would fit into the ES just fine.
As for the ES "standing out" I have driven the ES and a fully decked out Camry XLE V6 and can tell you they drive the same. The Lexus has better materials inside and may be a touch quieter, but there isn't all that much difference other than equipment levels and in all fairness the ES is a better looking car (10K better looking.. debatable).
As for comparing it to the Avalon... IMO they are equal with the Lexus having the advantage of more available equipment and a better dealership experience/service and warranty. All at the expense of interior room and a few thousand on the sticker.
#165 of 268 Re: Preaching to the converted [tjc78]
Sep 22, 2008 (8:56 am)
Actually this is the most differentiated ES ever from the Camry platform, with only 18% of the car's components being derived from the Camry. People who say that the ES is just like a Camry needs to go drive an ES and a Camry, back to back. The engine is the same as are some of the suspension components and the basic design of the frame. EVERYTHING else is unique to the two cars.
For extra $$$ you get a car that is:
1. More prestigious
2. Built in Japan
3. Has better quality paint and build materials
4. Has more luxury content
5. Has a smoother quieter ride
6. Has more technology
7. Has a longer warranty
7. And is attached to a company that has a MUCH higher service and vehicle satisfaction rating.
The ES is Lexus best selling vehicle besides the RX and they sell nearly 80,000 units per year. They must be doing something right for past two decades.
If ES is exactly same as Camry, than Lexus wouldn't be selling more cars than TL and G35 combined. When someone compares two cars they need to drive and spend some time with those two cars instead of relying on forums or magazines, be a judge for yourself.