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Toyota Avalon Limited vs. Lexus ES 350 Comparison

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#151 of 239 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [tjc78] by amauhry

Sep 17, 2008 (10:31 am)

Replying to: tjc78 (Sep 17, 2008 5:27 am)
Anyone with a 2008 Owner’s Manual for the Avalon sold in the U.S. can check page 414; It says nothing different from what I stated earlier.
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One of the engines has a tweak that the other doesn’t. In very simple terms, horsepower depends on the thermal efficiency of the engine. Fuel type alone won’t increase this efficiency.
 
Amaury
'08 Limited

#152 of 239 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [amauhry] by tjc78

Sep 17, 2008 (11:31 am)

Replying to: amauhry (Sep 17, 2008 10:31 am)
A 2GR - FE is a the same no matter what they put it into. They share all the same specs. Even on the spec sheet for the ES350 it reads:
 
"Ratings achieved using the required premium unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 or higher. If premium fuel is not used, performance will decrease"
 
What does that tell you? Do you really think Toyota would tweak this engine for a lousy 4 HP? The "tweaked" version of this engine is the 2GR-FSE which is direct injected and used in the IS/GS and makes a little over 300HP.

#153 of 239 2009 Toyota Avalon vs. 2009 Lexus ES 350 by hanscua

Sep 18, 2008 (8:57 pm)

I'm planning to buy or lease a Toyota Avalon Limited in the very future, which would feel luxury like the Lexus ES 350. The Lexus ES 350 has a power tilt and telescopic steering column and the Toyota Avalon does not have a power tilt and telescopic steering column. Before I buy or lease a Toyota Avalon Limited in the very future, I'm requesting the Toyota Avalon Limited to offer a power tilt and telescopic steering column for the late availability 2009 model year available at Toyota dealers by October, November, or December of this year 2008 so I can buy or lease a 2009 Toyota Avalon Limited with a power tilt and telescopic steering column and feel luxury like the Lexus ES 350 rather than having the 2009 Toyota Avalon Limited still offer a manual tilt and telescopic steering column. If the 2009 Toyota Avalon Limited comes with rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers, heated and ventilated front seats, power rear sunshade, wood grain style leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, wood grain style interior, perforated leather seats, steering wheel mounted audio and climate controls, vehicle stability control with traction control and brake assist, 2-way driver's side memory systems, 8-way power driver's seat with power lumbar support, optitron meters with tachometer, speedometer, coolant temperature gauge, fuel gauge, and digital odometer with twin trip meters, smart key system with push button start, JBL synthesis AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in dash changer with hands free phone via bluetooth, optional dynamic laser cruise control, optional 8-way power passenger seat with power lumbar support, power windows with driver and passenger auto-touch up/down, power door locks with anti lockout feature, power moonroof, chrome outside door handles, etc., then the 2009 Toyota Avalon Limited should come with power tilt and telescopic steering column rather than a manual tilt and telescopic steering column.

#154 of 239 Re: 2009 Toyota Avalon vs. 2009 Lexus ES 350 [hanscua] by amauhry

Sep 19, 2008 (6:31 am)

Replying to: hanscua (Sep 18, 2008 8:57 pm)
Man, this man's in a mission!
 
Loved the way you made your point. You're damn good.
 
Amaury
'08 Limited

#155 of 239 Re: 2009 Toyota Avalon vs. 2009 Lexus ES 350 [hanscua] by popsavalon

Sep 19, 2008 (7:12 am)

Replying to: hanscua (Sep 18, 2008 8:57 pm)
If I wanted power tilt and telescope that badly, I would just spend the extra 25 grand and buy the Lexus! Why be uncomfortable while you are driving down the road.

#156 of 239 Re: 2009 Toyota Avalon vs. 2009 Lexus ES 350 [hanscua] by fin

Sep 19, 2008 (7:30 am)

Replying to: hanscua (Sep 18, 2008 8:57 pm)
Toyota... Are you listening......?....

#157 of 239 Preaching to the converted by lexpaul

Sep 21, 2008 (8:41 pm)

I wonder how someone could preach the virtues of the Avalon Limited to a Lexus forum, it's funny by stuff happens. The Avi and 350 are targeted at two different types of buyers. The Avi is a nice vehicle and I considered buying one myself and I know about all the features trust me, but what sold me on the 350 was its size and looks AND features. I simply don't want a big car. If I considered anything other than the 350 it would probably be a 08 or 09 CTS. The 350 looks better and I like how it drives. Now that is subjective, because someone else may come along and say, "Hey the Avi is the greatest car since the Model T" So, lets appreciate that no matter what, some folks will relish vanilla ice cream while others will relish strawberry and move on. Most of the folks who buy the 350 have already considered the Avi so you're preaching to the converted (converted to 350), Go to a Chrysler 300 forum and try to convert them.....

#158 of 239 Re: Preaching to the converted [lexpaul] by praz

Sep 21, 2008 (9:15 pm)

Replying to: lexpaul (Sep 21, 2008 8:41 pm)
I am in mid-30's and never considered Avalon. With 350, Lexus has targeted mid-30's while Avalon still tagets at 50+, my opinion. I don't think people will shop Avalon after driving ES, totally different car.

#159 of 239 Re: Preaching to the converted [lexpaul] by pat

Sep 22, 2008 (2:19 am)

Replying to: lexpaul (Sep 21, 2008 8:41 pm)
Actually, this discussion is part of the ES 350 group and the Avalon group. It's not specifically a "Lexus forum."

#160 of 239 Re: Preaching to the converted [praz] by tjc78

Sep 22, 2008 (5:54 am)

Replying to: praz (Sep 21, 2008 9:15 pm)
I don't think people will shop Avalon after driving ES, totally different car
 
Really? Same engine, same frame, mostly the same suspension...... They drive similar, the size is the biggest difference. IMO if you need the size go for the Avalon, if you like the smaller vehicle go for the ES at a small price premium.

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