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You are in the Toyota Avalon
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES 350
#177 of 268 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [praz]
Sep 24, 2008 (12:35 pm)
I also don't think that the engine used in Rav4/Highlander/Venza/Camry/Avalon/ES/RX are different.
not only that but Toyota planned it that way. Back in 2004 Toyota was 'saddled' with a perfectly good group of V6s (despite 'sludging') that were short about 50hp. So they spent literally hundreds of millions to develop the 2GR series actually from the existing 4 liter truck engine and put it first in the 05 Avalon. Turned out to be a helluva good decision, an engine easily good enough for a multitude of uses, plenty good enough to be fitted in any Lexus, and still save the companies a bunch of money. I would even go one step further and include the FSE variant that's in the IS and GS, direct injection while it may make for 40 or 50 more HP does not in itself change what the 2GR is - simply one of THE best V6 engines ever made!.
#178 of 268 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2]
Sep 24, 2008 (12:52 pm)
tjc78 was talking about driving dynamics and both cars are pretty close, otherwise they are different. They might share the same engine, transmission and wheelbase which are most important part of the car but other than that, they don't share anything. If some or most of them are happy that they bought cheaper ES or ES w/4 cylinder than they are SOMETHING.
Camry sells the best in it's class so they want to carry the same size, engine and transmission to ES to reduce cost and be competitive. This will also help to keep the maintenance costs low. I would suggest you or any other person who strongly feel that Camry and ES are same to spend a day with both the cars back to back. I have come across more posts about these two cars than Accord/TL, Toureg/Q7/Cayenne, MDX/Pilot, Highlander/RX, etc. and it might be because they looked almost the same until 2007 model year.
#179 of 268 Well...
Sep 24, 2008 (2:13 pm)
I guess the thing is that this is a discussion specifically for the purpose of comparing the top of the line Avalon with the ES 350. I think those who do not feel that is an appropriate comparison should feel free not to participate.
Other comparison topics are welcome. Check out the model listings to see if something suitable is already underway and if you don't see what you'd like, feel free to create it.
#180 of 268 Re: Well... [pat]
Sep 24, 2008 (2:57 pm)
I agree that this is a discussion for comparison between ES and Avalon but still I do not understand that if someone does not feel right about comparing two should not participate. To understand your message better, can I disagree for comparison between Avalon and ES?
#181 of 268 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2]
Sep 24, 2008 (3:52 pm)
Captain, you know about Toyota pretty well, impressed. I think, I am barred from this discussion or for any car comparison, I suppose, so good luck to all Camry buyers.
#182 of 268 Re: Well... [praz]
Sep 25, 2008 (4:07 am)
You have already made your feelings well known. Thank you for that. But there is no reason to hang around here to keep repeating them.
Let those who want to discuss how these cars compare do so.
#183 of 268 Re: Premium Fuel Lexus Doublespeak [captain2]
Sep 25, 2008 (4:25 am)
Turned out to be a helluva good decision, an engine easily good enough for a multitude of uses, plenty good enough to be fitted in any Lexus,
Don't forget the fact that not only does the 2GR produce more power it does so with better FE than the 3.0/3.3.
the 2GR is - simply one of THE best V6 engines ever made!.
After 28K miles on my Avalon I can't agree more.
#185 of 268 Avalon vs ES350
Jan 25, 2009 (2:07 pm)
I lease a 2005 Limited and love the car. I Test drove an ES before deciding on the Avalon. The limited has an upscale feel and look, although the ES was a bit more refined. My decision to go with the Avalon was based on the size comparasion between the two. Avalon matches up to an LS430 size wise, while the ES comapres to the Camry. Other than the trunk, Avy has more interior room, period. However, now that my lease is about to run out, I am going back to the ES as Toyota has not updated the Avy Nav system and does not offer a back up camera. It appears to me the a fully loaded ES offers considerably more than Avalon. I can live with the slightly smalled ES interior, but had Toyota updated some of the Avy features, I would have stayed with them. Ride wise I rate them very close to the same with respects to quiet, smooth and power.
#186 of 268 Re: Avalon vs ES350 [avalonfan]
Jan 25, 2009 (9:13 pm)
My experience was the same, I went with the 08 Avalon Limited based on interior room. I also liked the dash layout more than that on the ES. My only mild beefs is are the so-so gas mileage (and the too small tank) and the semi-cheesy grey dashboard plastic.