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Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra Brake Problems

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Re: Rusted Brake lines, 2003 GMC 50K miles [barnowl3] by ttaupier1
Mar 09, 2009 (5:44 am)
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Replying to: barnowl3 (Mar 07, 2009 9:58 am)

I urge everyone that has a GM truck with rusted brake lines to goto http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/gm_chev_1500.html
and file a complaint. Consumer Affairs will evaluate and see if a class action suite is in order. Make it happen complain now!
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Re: Rusted Brake lines, 2003 GMC 50K miles [ttaupier1] by barnowl3
Mar 09, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: ttaupier1 (Mar 09, 2009 5:41 am)

Tttaupier1,
Thanks for the great tip. I knew the SS was available for older cars but did not realize they had them for the newer vehicles. I already dropped the truck off at a local shop, since I don't have the time to do this myself right now or wait for SS. I sure would have gone that route though if I had ordered them in advance.
 
A note to all on bleeding brakes on these trucks. The brake booster ( Not sure of all are the same) is actually part of the power steering system. There is special bleeding procedure on the PS steering system which does wonders for the brakes. My PS line corroded last year and when I followed the PS bleeding procedure,my brakes were better than ever. Much better than new in fact. We noticed the brakes sucked on the 2003 as compared to the 2000 and the bleeding process made a huge difference.. The process is documented on those online repair manuals. I used Alldata for my manual.
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Re: stainless/firm brake pedal,bleeding booster by barnowl3
Mar 09, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: bob227 (Sep 08, 2008 7:17 am)

A note to all on bleeding brakes on these trucks. The brake booster ( Not sure of all are the same) is actually part of the power steering system. There is a special bleeding procedure on the PS steering system which does wonders for the brakes. My PS line corroded last year and when I followed the PS bleeding procedure,my brakes were better than ever. Much better than new in fact. We noticed the brakes sucked on the 2003 as compared to the 2000 and the bleeding process made a huge difference.. The process is documented on those online repair manuals. I used Alldata for my manual.
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Re: 2002 Silverado Brake Problems [remjrmiller] by barnowl3
Mar 09, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: remjrmiller (Aug 15, 2008 12:29 pm)

"Dealer blames it on vehicle sitting for extended times (which it does but on pavement)."
 
This dealer should be strapped to the front of my truck ( it too has the rusty lines and NO brakes). Let me see, it is work truck and I can't leave it outside!!!! Do these people even hear themselves speak? I have been a GM person all my life and they have finally lost me. You would think after like 12 warranty repairs, they would give me call and learn! Instead, all they care about is if the dealer treated me well!
 
Here are the other lines that rust out early. Mine is an '03 with only 50K in the Northeast.. If you have the engine oil cooler option, that line rots out in like 3 years and you lose your engine oil .... real fast. After 5 years the fuel lines corrode where the nylon line and o-ring meet the steel line, causing a fine fuel spray giving your truck a fine orange glow if you light a match ( recommended). Oh yeah, I almost forgot the power steering line. The only problem there is that you might lose your steering ( best to time that failure with the brakes for some real excitement). My tranny lines should be good for a few more years since they were all replaced under warranty, since they all seeped. Guess 'fluids and materials engineering' is not a required course for engineers at GMI.
 
Sorry about the rant, but come on, it was supposed to be a truck.
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Re: Rusty steel brake line alternative by barnowl3
Mar 10, 2009 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: barnowl3 (Mar 09, 2009 4:47 pm)

Just got my truck (2003 GMC 2500 HD) back from my independent shop. They used a copper nickel alloy brake line. I included a link below from a search. It is easy to work with and bend and does not rust. Did not have to wait for GM lines ( which are obviously poorly engineered trash). $70 for the tubing and $296 for ~ 4 hrs of labor to replace both front lines. I'll do them all eventually. These apparently seal better too, which sometimes can be a problem with stainless. Great alternative compared to some of the ridiculous GM dealer prices above. Also note that some car manufacturers are using these lines.
 
http://www.fedhillusa.com/
 
To further my distrust in any fluid line GM produces: Shop found that my PS cooler and line was leaking. I have one more rusty PS line left to replace now. One of the tranny lines is seeping again ( these were all replaced under warranty already once). If GM would simply correct their design/material flaws it wouldn't be that bad, but who wants to replace their fluid lines 2-3 times, simply because they want to keep a truck for 10 years.
 
If anyone has any alternatives to the PS, tranny and brake rotors, please share them.
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by ldsokol
Mar 10, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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After GM tried to do all the repairs on my truck they finally did a repurchase. Unfortunatley I'm not allowed to tell any details, the problems with the brakes where never resolved after 2 years.
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Report Premature Rusty brake lines to NHTSA by barnowl3
Mar 10, 2009 (4:40 pm)
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Replying to: barnowl3 (Mar 10, 2009 3:56 pm)

Here is the link to report this dangerous problem to the government. Maybe they will trigger a recall. It won't be long before this problems gets worse on the highways. The other site ( consumer affairs) is private site that lawyers troll, so it is not a government agency. Filing a complaint is very easy to do online ( have your VIN). You can also search others complaints and recalls.
 
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm
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Brake Pad replacement with ABS by Bloozester
Mar 11, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Is there anything different procedurally that needs to be done when replacing pads on my 2002 1500 that has ABS? I've never had a vehicle that has had ABS before.
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Re: Brake Pad replacement with ABS [Bloozester] by ttaupier1
Mar 11, 2009 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: Bloozester (Mar 11, 2009 10:16 am)

Hey Blooz,
 
No not really, the back discs can some times be tricky if you plan to do the front and rear. Front just pop off watch the nuckles...remember the rear calipers pistons screw/rotate back in and are a pain to get off (parking brake sometimes grabs too).
 
I have always turned or replace the rotors ... I think Russel makes a nice braided brake line set for your year, i replaced the OEM hoses and love the feel of the brakes. If you replace the brake hoses, then it is usually a good time to flush the system with new fluid.
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Re: Brake Pad replacement with ABS [ttaupier1] by Bloozester
Mar 11, 2009 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: ttaupier1 (Mar 11, 2009 10:27 am)

Thanks. I've looked over the brake lines and they don't look bad to me at this point, but I'll keep that in mind. I have very little rust underneath the truck. We just don't have the salt and moisture problems here in Amarillo that a lot of folks due up North and East.
 
I didn't know with the ABS if you have to relieve pressure through the bleeder when compressing the caliper, instead of just putting the C-clamp on there and going for it. Someone at work said that was the way to do it to keep from damaging the solenoid? but I didn't know.

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