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Toyota Camry, Chevrolet Malibu, Honda Accord, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#721 of 804 Re: 08 malibu catalytic converter issues [dmathews3]
Jan 25, 2010 (6:06 pm)
thats not the reason GM had to file you fool; every car manufacture was hit hard and had terrible sales from the end of 2008 to the middle of 2009, even the Japanese automakers took huge hits in sales compared to years before the recession hit so using the credit market and economy for GM's bankruptcy and gov't bailout is just unture
you know why GM and Chrysler had to file for bankruptcy, its because of their lies and half-truths to the American people for almost 30 years saying they products were well made and reliable cars when in fact they were not (THIS IS PRE-2008) GM and Chrysler top level managment didn't want to listen to the American people and focused on making huge gas guzzling SUV's that no one wanted when gas hit over $4 gallon and they just sat on their lots; the Japanese companies started planning fuel efficient vehicles many years ago and decreased their SUV and minivan productions at the time gas hit record high numbers and they never suffered the sales loss that GM and Chrysler did
I never heard of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, or Mazda getting money from Japan when sales were tanked last year and in 2008 - you give me the link to the article that says that; I didn't here Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc whining like GM and Chrysler were for gov't money to keep them a float; and then to have their top execs each fly on their own personal jets while their companies were tanking to go to a meeting in DC to request tax-payer money was simply outrageous and just shows the disconnect between GM and Chrysler exec management and the American public- that kind of mentality is what got them into a bankruptcy situation not the economy- plus I don't know what cool-aid your drinking but Toyota beat GM for #1 in global sales for 2009 and 2008 so this idiotic idea that GM is selling more than Toyota still is a fantasy in your head!
I think there was a reason why the top five vehicles traded into the cash for clunkers program were GM, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles while the most bought cash for clunker vehicles were Toyota's and Honda's - if that doesn't show what the country as a majority is saying with the car they prefer I don't know what does
You can trash talk Toyota all you want to me and to everyone else about defects (which I admit was wrong for them to cover up), quality, problems, etc but there is a reason why the Camry has been the top leading mid-size sedan in the US for the last 10 years
Oh and I know there are not problems with my Jap vehicles, as you put them, because I'm coming up on 6 years with two of them and have never had to bring them in or have them towed into the dealership for anything like I did on my GM vehicles at the 6 year mark; all I have to do is normal maintenance on them and I have peace of mind!
#722 of 804 Actually...
Jan 25, 2010 (6:52 pm)
Toyota received aid from the Japanese government in the spring of 2009. Honda and Toyota have both received billions in development money to build hybrids.
Anyone who thinks the Japanese do not help their auto industry have no clue.
Further... Toyota is no better than the big three with recalls. They hide them well and seem to get a free pass from the press because of their past quality but they are a for profit corporation just like any other. Nothing more.
#725 of 804 Re: 08 malibu catalytic converter issues [berri]
Jan 25, 2010 (7:17 pm)
I never said they didn't do stupid things, I said they did not lie. You know, deny it when presented with the facts until things became so overwelming they had no choice. Does sludge bring up any memories?
#726 of 804 Re: 08 malibu catalytic converter issues [dmathews3]
Jan 25, 2010 (7:43 pm)
That's exactly my point you said GM never lied or hid things from the public and they most certainly did; listen I'm tired of this argument, your just as hypocritical in your remarks as you say I am so just forget about it, its not worth it; if your happy with your vehicle and I'm happy with mine that's all that matters
For the last freakin time, I never have nor do I currently own a Toyota; I've heard some Toyota people talk about the sludge and others say its not true if you use the right oil, I have no idea because I DON'T HAVE A TOYOTA!
#727 of 804 Re: 08 malibu catalytic converter issues [dmathews3]
Jan 25, 2010 (7:47 pm)
I never said they didn't do stupid things, I said they did not lie
I dunno - the dealer assured me I had the proper tranny. It wasn't until I received federal court documents telling me I had a Chevette tranny in a large V8 engine and was entitled to extended warranty coverage that I found out the truth. GM didn't notify me, nor the dealer. I'm not looking to pound GM, nor defend Toyota, but hiding something to me is the same as lying. I learned long ago not to totally trust any company, domestic or foreign. As for Toyota, I think they were dumb and totally mishandled this UA problem initially. If they had been more forthright they would have avoided a lot of the fallout, just like when GM put Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles and ended up having to issue customer checks after states attorneys got involved. That was 'lying" in my opinion, GM got caught and it cost them. They tried to pass off a different engine than advertised.
#728 of 804 Re: 08 malibu catalytic converter issues [berri]
Jan 25, 2010 (8:05 pm)
Couldn't agree more with you, no matter what auto manufacture you deal with whether it is GM, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, etc they all are out to make tons of money and screw over the customer at any opportunity
A great example of this, I used to buy many years ago an extended warranty which of course the salesman said would cover anything once the factory warranty ended after 3 or 4 years; extended warranties are nothing but another way for the auto manufacture to hose more money out of the customer that you won't get back when you do have problems; consistently, once I was out of factory warranty the dealerships always came back when something was wrong and said, "oh that isn't covered under the extended warranty because its normal wear and tear"
I had that excuse given to me time and time again by the service department and unless your a skilled mechanic, which most people are not, like myself, you have to take the dealership for their word and how do you know something wore out normally or if it failed prematurely - its all a bunch a BS the dealerships dish out to get more money out of you; suffice it to say I stopped buying extended warranties 20 years ago
Jan 25, 2010 (8:22 pm)
Could someone direct me to the real car comparison thread?
#730 of 804 Re: Could someone... [thegraduate]
Jan 25, 2010 (8:47 pm)
I'd love to compare the 2010 Accord, Camry, and Malibu, here is my ranking for various categories: realize these are highly subjective, have seen enough on the road and sat and driven each one so can make a pretty educated guess to rankings
Exterior: Malibu > Camry > Accord
Interior: Accord > Malibu > Camry
Ride Quality: Camry > Malibu > Accord
Seat Comfort: Camry > Malibu > Accord
Resale Value: Accord > Camry > Malibu
MPG: Malibu = Camry > Accord
Technology Options: Accord > Camry > Malibu
Turning Radius: Camry > Accord > Malibu
Price: Camry > Malibu > Accord
Trunk Room: Malibu > Camry > Accord