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Replying to: yury (Mar 14, 2007 9:29 am) Forget the 07 Accord I'm gettin' me a 1990 Rolls. Discuss!
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Replying to: saleem (Mar 14, 2007 10:11 am) and Rolls is not, because the topic is entitled "Chevrolet Malibu vs. Toyota Camry vs. Honda Accord". |
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Replying to: yury (Mar 14, 2007 6:11 am) So, therefore, HP increases as rpms do, and the faster those rpms increase the more HP you will have. And it is HP that, for the most part, is going to push that Camry to 60 in 6 something, while that Malibu huffs and puffs its way in 8. Don't know that I can bite on your Civic/VW TDI story unless that Civic driver was short shifting it - diesels, of course, with very high relative torque but also very reticient to rev and therefore low HP and generally slow cars. I agree with the other poster, the only way you will know how each car drives (nd sounds and feels doing it) is to drive each of them. I assure you there is a BIG difference.
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 14, 2007 12:17 pm) sure, it would probably win over a TD at a race track, but in real life that Si felt like a SLOW car to me. Another example, 01 Sentra. Max values are pretty low, like at 2000 rpm. And, despite the fact, that the car's 0-60 is something ridiculous, like 10 or 11 seconds, it feels pretty peppy in real life and definitely more driveable than that old Si of mine (same max HP as Si, but only 15% more torgue) My point is that pure max hp and torque numbers do not nesseserily reflect the daily drivebility. they perhaps better reflect racetrack performance which is not the same thing. However, Camry, based on the figures may be quite a bit better that Malibu, I am not arguing that. |
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Replying to: yury (Mar 14, 2007 6:11 am) Exactly! And that's the ball game the Malibu looses. Most people don't need a lot of power at low rpm (taking off from stop signs, and red lights). Where I want the power, is when passing (40-70 or more), which is where the Malibu falls short. Transmissions are also a large part of the power supplied to the wheels. The Malibu's 4 speed transmission is also outdated, when compared to the 5 and 6 speed transmissions the Camry and Accord have.
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Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 14, 2007 1:32 pm) Exactly! And that's the ball game the Malibu looses. Most people don't need a lot of power at low rpm (taking off from stop signs, and red lights). Where I want the power, is when passing (40-70 or more), which is where the Malibu falls short. That was said in favour on max torgue at low rpm. 3500 Seems to be a good spot. Well, all said...probably Accord and Camry are not direct competitors...well we may compare and weigh pros and cons. But really we should probably compare Malibu to something like Mazda 6... Plus, in Malibu's defence i would say this: look the prev gen Camry was close to what Malibu is powerwise (as far as specs go). So, seems like not that Malibu is that bad, but rather Camry has gotten better all of a sudden  Good job, I guess But if it also droppen in price in the first year like Malibu, I would say "let talk " Btw, still waiting for someone with first hand experince with both cars to come along and share....
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Replying to: saleem (Mar 14, 2007 10:11 am) Lets not get carried away. I do believe we are discussing the current generations of these cars. For Malibu that is 2004-2007. The cars are being compared here because they're in the same class. Affordable mid sized sedans. Prospective buyers such as I was myself about 1 year ago should look at all these cars and a few more such as the Sonata and compare value and base their decision on what they deem important. I made my decision based on value, safety, cost of ownership , style and comfort. No amount of 0-60 or hp numbers can prove that my decision was wrong. Any discussion here has, on the contrary, only added to my confidence that I made the right choice based on my criteria. Isn't this discussion attempting to give a few facts and opinions on each so these prospective buyers can gain some information from actual owners? But I agree, it is fun to see numbers. After all, that's what the advertisers use to sway us consumers with. Numbers can be deceiving, confusing and manipulated. It's been done with all sorts of goods. Here's an example of it from the automotive industry: AutoInsider |
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Replying to: yury (Mar 14, 2007 4:31 pm) all three cars/engines in this group will have relatively flat torque curves, although the old pushrod may indeed start at a slightly lower rpm, its not much thanks to these new VVTi and CVVTi engines in the Accord/Camry (and keep in mind that both also have more of it). We are not talking about high strung 4 bangers here. Under no circumstances or reasonable measure of performance will a Malibu 3.5 be in even the same neighborhood as the Accord/Camry V6s -not to mention slightly more subjective evaluations of engine smoothness or noise (refinement). Wait until 2008, the new GM 3.6 currently in the Aura and CTS is proving to be the same type of engine, and should really improve things and provide some basis for comparison. You are right, the Camry/Accord/Altima are not direct competitors to Malibus/G6s etc. etc.. Since I'll contend that, at least for me, the drivetrain is what 'makes or breaks' a car, and I do own both the Toyota 2GR and the Nissan VQ and have limited experience with both the Malibu and G6 (thru the airport rental lots, of course), I'll further tell you that about all the current Malibu has going for it is price, because it certainly is not an enjoyable car to drive.
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 15, 2007 5:40 am) well, that depends where you're coming from. i am sure for a bmw/mersedes drivers both cars are 'not enjoyable' for a someone who comes from a 4 banger it's a definite improvement. 4 banger Vibe seemed like heaven after a 4 cyl Ranger pickup and so on, so forth
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Replying to: yury (Mar 15, 2007 7:57 am)
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