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Chevrolet Malibu vs. Toyota Camry vs. Honda Accord

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Re: bvdj84 [butch100] by thegraduate
Jul 04, 2009 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: butch100 (Jul 04, 2009 8:10 am)

The Cobalt gets a 4-star rating for the driver from the NTHSA, 3-stars on the side impact, with Side Airbags.
 
How about we talk about the Malibu instead of the Cobalt?
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Re: 4-bangers [vanman1] by tlong
Jul 04, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: vanman1 (Jun 23, 2009 6:37 pm)

No fun if it has no power. They are fine for compacts but in a mid-size loaded up, forget it!
 
Disagree. I have a 2007 Mazda 5 (a micro-minivan, same platform as a Mazda 3). I also have a 2005 Acura TL, which is a 6 cyl. Guess what - the Mazda is more FUN to drive, as it is agile and has very tight steering. The Acura is a powerful highway cruiser and accelerates great (if you like that automatic lag when you punch it). But the Mazda is FUN.
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Re: bvdj84 [dmathews3] by elroy5
Jul 04, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Jul 03, 2009 9:46 am)

If all you want from an engine is horsepower, you can get that at a low price. If you want refinement, power, smoothness, reliability, and efficiency, you will have to look a lot harder, and probably pay a little more. Fun is defined differently also. Some see light weight, tight steering, firm suspension, and a responsive gearbox as the attributes they require for "Fun". Some are even more demanding, and want power to go along with all the rest. The 7th gen Accord V6 is a great package that has all these qualities. I know past Malibu models have not been refined, agile, or very powerful. I find it hard to believe GM has suddenly learned how to get all these things right with one model. Maybe they have, but I seriously doubt it. Previous Malibus were good, when new. They aged quickly however, and the lack of refinement, and quality showed up in short order.
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Re: bvdj84 [elroy5] by bvdj84
Jul 04, 2009 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 04, 2009 9:50 am)

Nice response! I agree! Exactly, that puts the fact on whether or not the New Malibu's guts are any different than the previous Malibu model? Is it magically better? Only time will tell. You can put on a pretty face, but when the soul is lacking, well it'll surely uncover itself later on.
 
There are many new models arriving, look appealing. But, all lead to that very same question. I am not convinced the whole package is there yet.
 
 I would love to compare these cars in say 5 years from now, see all their records, how their holding up. I would actually say, during the 5yrs, push a them a bit.
It would be an interesting look on how they stand up to time.
 
That would be a test for GM, to design a car that doesn't have silly parts going bad early in the game. I have already had a new catalytic converter replaced at 15,000miles, on my 08 GM. Oh, ya, and a window switch because I could not roll my windows down... Twice! I have had about 3 rentals, kept one for a week, others for 2 days or so.
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Re: bvdj84 [bvdj84] by cooterbfd
Jul 04, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jul 04, 2009 11:03 am)

".....Nice response! I agree! Exactly, that puts the fact on whether or not the New Malibu's guts are any different than the previous Malibu model? Is it magically better? Only time will tell."
 
If what you mean by "guts" is the platform, the previous 2 Malibu's were W bodies, whereas the new Malibu is an epsilon platform. I believe the MAXX version was an epsilon as well.
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Re: bvdj84 [cooterbfd] by bvdj84
Jul 05, 2009 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 04, 2009 5:13 pm)

Yes, but I was referring to its overall parts used. Which are probably all the same. Nothing too new. That will only shown in time.
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Re: bvdj84 [bvdj84] by cooterbfd
Jul 05, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jul 05, 2009 7:15 am)

Oh, no. While the 2.4L is a carryover, the 6 sp auto and 3.6L v6 are new to the model. The V6 generally gets good reviews for an engine.
 
Where I think GM is missing it is the fact that while Toyota and Honda use 1 car for the $20-30K midsize price range (MSRP) Chevy uses 2. You can find a $30K Camry or Accord, but not a Malibu. That price range is left to the Impala, and that car sits on an antiquated platform. So, the Camcord can outclass it's GM competition on the high end with features, AND lay claim to the best selling models each year, because they use one model. I don't know about the last couple of years, but up to a couple years ago, Chevy was selling more cars in that category, just spread over 2 models (Malibu and Impala) instead of 1 (Camry or Accord).
 
So, the imports score on 2 fronts; Better equiping the high end ($24K and up) versions, plus having a more refined driveline on the lower end, AND the perception that they "must be better because they sell more" which they didn't, because it was spread over 2 models.
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Re: bvdj84 [cooterbfd] by elroy5
Jul 05, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 05, 2009 8:15 am)

I think, if you subtracted the fleet sales of the Impala, and Malibu (which are considerable), I they would still come up short, as far as consumer sales, compared to the Accord. It would probably be pretty close. I don't think sales numbers mean much in the "which car is better" debate any way. The fact is people will pay more for an Accord, because they think it's a better built car. I agree with this perception, but I know some people don't. They only way I will really be convinced the Malibu is much improved, is if I bought one myself. I'm not willing to take that chance right now.
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Re: bvdj84 [elroy5] by dmathews3
Jul 05, 2009 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 05, 2009 12:44 pm)

After seeing the blast from many mags and rags and now Consumers Reports on the Insight Hybrid on what a piece of junk it is and CHEAP besides I sure have lost a lot of respect of Honda. As I'm old enough to remember the cheap junk they brought to America many years ago and how long it took them to even make something buyable they sure have taken 2 steps back in my humble opinion.
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Re: bvdj84 [cooterbfd] by bvdj84
Jul 05, 2009 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 05, 2009 8:15 am)

I have driven the new GM 4cyl engine. However, I was still less than satisfied. It was not inspiring. Even, the Manual shifting option did not add any more excitement. It was like pulling teeth to give me any excitement. I was taken off guard too, as I thought that at the least it would do something for me. The drive line is still a bit rough, and a bit unpredictable. Where is the torque? The 4cyl doesn't feel like it wants to wind up at all. Perhaps this is why so many opt for the V6?
 
I do agree that I am not willing to give GM another chance after my lease is up. Why take that kind of risk? I have already driven the new engine, that is the best they could come up with? I know some people love their GM cars, or a big fan of them, but you can't honestly tell me you would pick the 4cyl GM engine over say an Accord engine or VW 5cyl, or the 2.0T engine. Which would both would blow the doors off the 4cyl GM engine. I know it would. Both getting similar or better mileage.
 
Verdict-the GM 4cyl engine=BORING and moody

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