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Chevrolet Malibu vs. Toyota Camry vs. Honda Accord

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Falling fast... by csandste
Nov 22, 2007 (5:30 pm)
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Plunging customer satisfaction with Toyota is frightening. The ratings are lowest with Edmunds, but the Yahoo ratings are really awful. 2.5 stars for the Camry (out of five) for the last two years is about as bad as it gets with lots of angry buyers. Even my Optima does 4.5. At least GM's troubles were a gradual decline during the seventies and eighties and not this plunge off the cliff. I'd be scared if I was a buyer.
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Re: Falling fast... [csandste] by elroy5
Nov 22, 2007 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: csandste (Nov 22, 2007 5:30 pm)

I think it's hard to judge a car by personal reviews. Camry owners seem to expect perfection, so everything gets magnified when there are problems. The Accord is the same way. Problems with other cars are dismissed easier, because the owners see a couple problems as a normal part of ownership. I see professional reviews as more informative because they have driven other cars in the class, and have something to compare it to. A professional reviewer also doesn't own any of the cars, so they are less likely to have a biased opinion.
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Re: Falling fast... [elroy5] by unkownuser
Nov 24, 2007 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 22, 2007 6:03 pm)

My experience is the opposite. Camry and Accord owners expect perfection, so they often overlook or dismiss problems they encounter. The cognitive dissonance is satisfied by blowing off unexpected new car service requirements as flukes, and they will still tell everyone how reliable their car is.
 
Domestics seem to have an opposite tack- they will complain about every problem because of their prior perception of poor domestic quality.
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Re: Falling fast... [unkownuser] by elroy5
Nov 24, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: unkownuser (Nov 24, 2007 4:14 am)

Domestics seem to have an opposite tack- they will complain about every problem because of their prior perception of poor domestic quality.
 
Why would I buy a car, if I think it has poor quality. Then complain when it turns out to be true?
 
Also, when it comes to personal reviews, it depends on what the expectations are. Say one buyer has been driving around in an old junker for the past 10 years, and another buyer's previous car was a high-end luxury car. A new Accord may seem like heaven on earth to the first guy, while to the second guy it may seem like a step down. While a professional reviewer is comparing the car to it's competition, a personal reviewer is often comparing the car only to his/her previous car.
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Re: Falling fast... [unkownuser] by venus537
Nov 24, 2007 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: unkownuser (Nov 24, 2007 4:14 am)

You're right about me, I do have very high expectations. But that I would overlook or dismiss problems because of... ...what did you say again?
 
I don't care how trouble free the previous Malibu may have been as it was it was far from perfection in how it was designed and executed. I would be miserable driving that car day in and day out. I can't comment on the just launched Malibu.
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Re: Falling fast... [venus537] by elroy5
Nov 24, 2007 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 24, 2007 1:45 pm)

If I were to dish out major $$$ for repairs on a car, or was unsatisfied with the way it drives, getting poor mileage, or dissatisfied in any way with a car, I certainly would not buy that model car again, no matter what the reputation of that car is. The Accord has the highest percentage of repeat buyers, because it has the highest percentage of satisfied consumers. The idea that we are all having major problems, and denying them, is far fetched at best.
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390k of heavy, heavy abuse by dsuupr
Dec 03, 2007 (10:25 am)
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When one of your hondas or toyotas can take what our 1991 Chevy took, then I just MIGHT consider one.
 
1. 120k of heavy duty police work
2. 250k of taxi abuse
3. and then me trying to kill it
  a. going up curbs at 35+ mph
  b. running 1 gallon of water to 10 gallons of gas
  c. taking out poles and leveling gravel with it
  d. throwing it into reverse at highway speeds
  e. jumping it to the point that it was sparking out of the bottom
  f. ignoring oil changes
  g. taking the car "rallying"
  h. taking of spark plug wires for a week at a time
  i. jumping on the hood, trunk & roof
  j. and more
 
In 390k+ miles the car never had the engine, transmission or any other major component replaced. The car NEVER "broke" down. The car didn't even have dents where I jumped on it.
 
Why would I put such abuse on a car? To prove that GM does make the best out there.
 
Yes they have made some junk in the past, just like honda, toyota and any other maker. But at the end of the day, when you want a car to last, GM makes them.
 
Check out http://www.chevy200k.com/gallery/ for more proof.
 
There are GM cars out there with the same quality built in their trucks.
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Re: 390k of heavy, heavy abuse [dsuupr] by thegraduate
Dec 03, 2007 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: dsuupr (Dec 03, 2007 10:25 am)

For every story of one automaker having a vehicle lasting umpteen miles, another automaker has one as well. Trying to kill a car is senseless; if you didn't want it anymore, donate it to a charity that can use it (there's several in my midsize city that will even come pick it up from you, and you get a hefty tax write-off).
 
In the Civic message boards, a Craigslist ad had a Civic for sale with 1.1 million miles on it. Little more than clutch replacement, brakes, etc...
 
How about we get back on topic; Camry, Accord, and Malibu?
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Re: 390k of heavy, heavy abuse [thegraduate] by robertsmx
Dec 03, 2007 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 03, 2007 11:01 am)

LOL. You do a better job than the host around here.
 
The second sentence almost had me spill the coffee. That was funny.
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Re: 390k of heavy, heavy abuse [robertsmx] by thegraduate
Dec 03, 2007 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 03, 2007 1:00 pm)

Well, my intent wasn't to inhibit anyone posting, but rather to point out that because one automaker can have a relatively bulletproof vehicle, doesn't mean that others can't either.
 
My granddad sold his '87 Civic Wagon in '02. He had 255k miles on it, original automatic transmission and all. No power steering, crank windows, manual locks, and a 12 Valve 1.5L. He got $1,000 for it; his asking price in the newspaper.
 
Despite the excellent service he got from his wagon, he replaced it with a Frontier pickup because it fit his needs better (and it was a STEAL - a newspaper special at a local Chevrolet dealer).
 
The truth is that we won't truly know how bulletproof the vehicles like the new Malibu, Accord, or Camry are until a large group of people carries them to 200k miles (or attempts to do so, anyway).

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