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921 messages, Last post on Oct 07, 2009 at 10:53 AM
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 15, 2009 2:32 am) I believe the “ethanol equals green myth” is marketing that grew out of the fact that ethanol was the least of two evils that is used to replace MTBE in gasoline. (I think MTBE is correct). I assume the EPA and greenies were in favor of it only because MTBE was more harmful than ethanol and it sounded good at the time. I’m sure neither the EPA nor the greenies had any idea of the unintended consequences or the sheer volume of land, corn and resources required to meet these needs. Then you have the big AG’s and politicians promoting ethanol even farther and it has now grown closer to being an environmental disaster than the salvation it was intended to be.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jul 15, 2009 7:34 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jul 15, 2009 7:38 am)
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Wowie zowie... deformed watermelons as a source for ethanol. Just Eat It Food isn't fuel |
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 15, 2009 2:32 pm) Adding 10% ethanol = poorer mileage. Add in all the equipment (using energy) to produce that ethanol and the net effect could be we actually burn more dino fuel.
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Replying to: kipk (Aug 31, 2009 4:59 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Aug 31, 2009 10:45 am) Considering: tractors tilling the ground and planting the seed Power to irrigate the fields Tractors harvesting the crop transporting the crop by truck energy to convert the crop into ethanol trucking the ethanol to a facility to "mix" the ethanol with dino fuel poorer mileage from the finished product A lot of dino fuel is burned just to get 10% ready for our fuel tanks. |
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Forbes Magazine dated September 07, 2009 If the U.S. insists on getting motor fuel from crops, it should think about putting them closer to the equator. Corn ethanol swallows tax subsidies, jacks up food prices and doesn't do much to reduce the world's carbon footprint. So what does one say about the newest contender in the biofuels industry, sweet sorghum? Perhaps the most compelling sales pitch that can be offered about it is this: It's no worse than the alternative. Federal law mandates that by 2012 gasoline refiners use at least 7.5 billion gallons of renewable fuel a year. If agribusiness executive Vikram Shroff has his way, sorghum will get a significant share of this market. Shroff runs United Phosphorus, an Indian firm founded by his father that sells sorghum seeds, as well as fertilizers, pesticides and industrial chemicals. He says many American farmers looking for a piece of the biofuels market should try growing sorghum along with sugarcane on their land. A sorghum-sugarcane mix, says Shroff, can yield double the ethanol per acre of land as corn, uses less fertilizer and doesn't raise food prices (not directly, anyway). Persuading farmers in the southern U.S. to give his fuel-producing plant a try would give his firm a nice boost but not have a huge impact. How much will spend to save on foreign oil? |
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 14, 2009 3:46 pm) ...then why aren't we building coal-gasification plants. Both the US and China have the world's largest supplies of coal. So if we convert it to gasoline, then we have rid ourselves of our dependence on foreign oil... ...saved the midwest aquifer, saved the Gulf of Mexico from the deadly algae plumes caused by the nitrogen-based fertilizer runoff coming out the Mississippi, reduced the chances of global famine, etc, etc, etc. Well, I guess environmentalists would say that it's good for the earth to kill off the sealife in the Gulf of Mexico, plow under wildlands for corn, and starve the poorest people on earth. Oh happy day! 
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Replying to: gogogodzilla (Oct 01, 2009 2:52 pm) During the 2nd world war, a great deal of Germany's war machinery ran on "Liquified Coal". The technology has been around for quite a while. As you pointed out, we have plenty of it. We have huge deposits of light crude under the north mid-western states. Supposably larger than several of the "Oil Producing" countries combined. Also huge deposits of Natural gas in this region. Another huge deposit of crude and NG under ANWR. Huge deposits of oil shale in the Rocky Mountains. NOTE: FWIW, we get a lot of our oil from Canada. The main source of that oil is from OIL SHALE. That $700 billion, we are sending out of the country every year could supply a lot of good jobs here. Also stimulate the economy in a big way. Why can't the unions see and understand that and back someone that would actually help them Before he left office, President Bush lifted the Ban on California's offshore drilling. California is in serious financial trouble, and could probably drill their way out of debt. Yet they don't. WHY! I believe there is something going on bigger than we understand. Something to do with the ONE WORLD ORDER. President Obama promised the UAW that their jobs would return if he was elected, but they have not and most likely will not. Oldsmobile division of GM went away. Then Pontiac, and Hummer, and now recently announced Saturn. How many UAW jobs has that cost? No telling what type of death grip the FEDS have on GM and Chrysler. "Cap and Trade" will punish companies and force many out of business or out of country and raise the cost of living as even more jobs go away. In spite of all the promises that were made, It seems our government is setting this country up to fail. WHY? If we are honest in our thinking, we will realize that 535 people are responsible for the mess this country is in. They are the members of the House of Representatives, the Senate and the US Supreme Court. Any President can do little without the support of those 535. The corruption and greed and entitlement mind set is running rampant. Every time the administration changes, the other side has all kind of good ideas of how things could be made better. WELL? Why didn't they make them better when they were in control? "WE THE PEOPLE" keep those 535 in office and on the bench. So we share a great deal of the blame. Just as many believe the UAW is responsible for the D3 failures, "We the People" have our share of greed also, contributing to the failure of this country. Kip
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