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921 messages, Last post on Oct 07, 2009 at 10:53 AM
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 13, 2009 3:02 am) See? Now THAT is an interesting question that we'll probably never get a straight answer to because an ethanol proponent's answer would likely be, "You can't compare emissions from different amounts of fuel". But I'm like you. I understand that I'm not burning any less gasoline or doing anything to decrease demand on gasoline production because ethanol has been added to the mix.
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 13, 2009 3:08 am) Add in the emissions to produce the stuff and we are paying more to pollute more. Somewhat of a Loose-Loose situation for the masses and a Win-Win for the corn producers. Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 13, 2009 3:29 am)
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Replying to: morin2 (Jul 13, 2009 3:30 pm)
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Replying to: pafromfl (Jul 13, 2009 7:34 pm) I happen to live down the street from a few gas stations that have non-ethanol blended fuel, and I always have to remember to fill up if I head eastward - once you get about 10 miles from here, it's all ethanol-blended. I can't remember the last time I saw even a semi-reasonable argument for ethanol.
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jul 14, 2009 5:36 am) Your lucky, we, i.e. WA State has a 10% law. There is no pure gasoline for sale in Washington State. |
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Replying to: galonga (Jun 13, 2009 4:05 am) What I keep hearing is that the reason we're using ethanol is to reduce our dependence on oil. I already KNOW it does nothing but reduce mileage performance by an amount that guarantees no reduction in our use of or need for oil. I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, what's the benefit of this nonsense? Green at ANY cost? (And it isn't even all that green) I have a solid year of experience with ethanol now and the only thing it's proved to me is that a lot of subsidy money has been wasted. But that's not a big change for the folks in DC is it? 
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 14, 2009 3:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2009 4:52 pm) I am certainly pretty green by thinking and this boondoggle is about as bad as it gets from an environmental standpoint. It's corporate welfare. It has nothing to do with environmental concerns.
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Replying to: fezo (Jul 14, 2009 6:03 pm)  The entire push seems to be part of this "green at ANY cost" attitude that's developed. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT for wasting energy or pro-pollution, but the idea that we have to DO something immediately or we're all gonna die isn't the way to approach things. The "corporate welfare" is a political issue that I'm ignoring because it winds up distracting us from the point that the ONE thing ethanol is touted as doing, reducing dependence on oil, is the one thing I know for a fact it doesn't do. There's a lot of "bad science" out there that's accepted as general wisdom simply because it's repeated and parroted endlessly.
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