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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) |
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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) It's 60% and our biggest imports come from Canada and Mexico. http://www.quoteoil.com/oil-imports.html If you truly want energy independence, why are you not promoting diesel and bio-diesel a fuel that has 40% more energy than gasoline? My concerns are that your motivation is not solely based on energy independence. In my opinion, FLEX Fuel is a sham and one of the reasons GM got in trouble. I will never buy a FF car.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jul 12, 2009 12:18 am) Where did you EVER get this number from my friend? Diesel engines are not even EXPLOSION, but COMBUSTION engines, and that's because oil-based fuels do not even explode, so low is their energy content! "In my opinion, FLEX Fuel is a sham and one of the reasons GM got in trouble. I will never buy a FF car." It is so much a sham than an ENTIRE COUNTRY has MORE cars running on ethanol than gasoline (Brazil). And that's been going on for over 30 years! Hard to say anything to that huh?
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Replying to: galonga (Jul 12, 2009 1:14 am) It looks to me from your misinformation you are drinking the Corn squeezin' rather than running it in your car. Better check your facts on Brazil. I have already posted the facts on the subject for you several times. You just refuse to see the truth. And yes diesel has a lot more BTUs of energy per gallon than Gasoline. And as my friend has posted the FFVs sold in the USA are a joke. I know as I have one. Of course in all of So CA there is only one station selling E85 for about a buck a gallon more than RUG. Kind of a novelty fuel for the totally uninformed wannabe enviro wacko crowd. I have no problem with people in the midwest running ethanol in their vehicles. I don't like it forced onto the rest of the country with the loss in mileage that is well documented. !0% ethanol equals 10% loss of mileage. Add to that the huge subsidies and it becomes apparent to an educated individual that we are getting screwed as a payoff to the Congress people in the Midwest.
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Replying to: galonga (Jul 12, 2009 1:14 am) ? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:30 am) Yep! And amazing to me how the Ethanol crowd can't seem to understand that, with a 10% drop in mileage, we are forced to buy 10% more fuel to go the same distance. So we are burning the same amount of Dino PLUS the Ethanol. Does 11 gallons of 10% Ethanol produce less emissions than 10 gallons of pure Dino ? Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 13, 2009 3:02 am) See? Now THAT is an interesting question that we'll probably never get a straight answer to because an ethanol proponent's answer would likely be, "You can't compare emissions from different amounts of fuel". But I'm like you. I understand that I'm not burning any less gasoline or doing anything to decrease demand on gasoline production because ethanol has been added to the mix.
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 13, 2009 3:08 am) Add in the emissions to produce the stuff and we are paying more to pollute more. Somewhat of a Loose-Loose situation for the masses and a Win-Win for the corn producers. Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 13, 2009 3:29 am)
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Replying to: morin2 (Jul 13, 2009 3:30 pm)
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