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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 28, 2009 6:08 am) The smart thing to do would be to "Drill here and drill now". There are vast amounts of oil under Utah, Montana, and Colorado. We have larger reserves than "Known" reserves in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemen combined. I will post the link if I can find it. Add to that the reserves of Natural Gas that are nearly equal to the oil reserves in energy. Also the Rocky Mountains contain an almost inexhaustible amount of oil shale, similar to what Canada refines their oil from. And least we not forget the coal reserves. California is whining about being broke while there are vast amounts of oil sitting off their coast. Yet they will not drill. Why? Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 11, 2009 3:24 am) And yet they have accepted corn ethanol laced gas with open arms. One of the most destructive mandates ever pushed by Congress. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 28, 2009 6:08 am) G-E-M Flex Fuel Cars run on ANY MIXTURE of G-asoline, E-thanol, M-ethanol. A myopic focus on "ethanol" and "corn to ethanol" obscure the opportunity a rapid phase in of Flex Fuel Vehicles offers to avert America and the world's iminent ENERGY CRISIS. 97% of the world's car & plan transporation (not just your car) relies on oil. America imports 70% of it's oil. Eight of nine top oil exporting countries are under control of dictators or autocrats, most of whom don't particularly like America. 78% of the world's oil comes from the OPEC cartel (monopoly). Oil prices have risen with signs of economic recovery. When the economy recovers expect a return of $150 barrel oil. Or in the event of a successful Al queda attack on Saudi's oil processing fields (and there have been numerous unsuccessful attempts) or Iran's threated closing the Straight of Hormuz in the event any country attempts to stop their attainment of a nuclear bomb- gas prices will go to rapidly shot above $200 . Methanol has been produced from wood waste for about 350 years. Today it is produced from also from forestry waste or other organic waste including municipal waste - at about half the cost of ethanol. True, it has less energy than ethanol or gas but it is still a cheaper cost per mile traveled . While Cellulosic ethanol production remains at "reserch quantities" we know other crops, like sugar beets, could produce significantly more energy than corn! Let's strengthen America and weaken the grip foreign oil holds on our country and our future! Watch the 2 minute video at SETAMERICAFREE.org The primary focus must be to ALWAYS keep our vehicles and economy running.
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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) |
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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) It's 60% and our biggest imports come from Canada and Mexico. http://www.quoteoil.com/oil-imports.html If you truly want energy independence, why are you not promoting diesel and bio-diesel a fuel that has 40% more energy than gasoline? My concerns are that your motivation is not solely based on energy independence. In my opinion, FLEX Fuel is a sham and one of the reasons GM got in trouble. I will never buy a FF car.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jul 12, 2009 12:18 am) Where did you EVER get this number from my friend? Diesel engines are not even EXPLOSION, but COMBUSTION engines, and that's because oil-based fuels do not even explode, so low is their energy content! "In my opinion, FLEX Fuel is a sham and one of the reasons GM got in trouble. I will never buy a FF car." It is so much a sham than an ENTIRE COUNTRY has MORE cars running on ethanol than gasoline (Brazil). And that's been going on for over 30 years! Hard to say anything to that huh?
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Replying to: galonga (Jul 12, 2009 1:14 am) It looks to me from your misinformation you are drinking the Corn squeezin' rather than running it in your car. Better check your facts on Brazil. I have already posted the facts on the subject for you several times. You just refuse to see the truth. And yes diesel has a lot more BTUs of energy per gallon than Gasoline. And as my friend has posted the FFVs sold in the USA are a joke. I know as I have one. Of course in all of So CA there is only one station selling E85 for about a buck a gallon more than RUG. Kind of a novelty fuel for the totally uninformed wannabe enviro wacko crowd. I have no problem with people in the midwest running ethanol in their vehicles. I don't like it forced onto the rest of the country with the loss in mileage that is well documented. !0% ethanol equals 10% loss of mileage. Add to that the huge subsidies and it becomes apparent to an educated individual that we are getting screwed as a payoff to the Congress people in the Midwest.
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Replying to: galonga (Jul 12, 2009 1:14 am) ? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 12, 2009 5:30 am) Yep! And amazing to me how the Ethanol crowd can't seem to understand that, with a 10% drop in mileage, we are forced to buy 10% more fuel to go the same distance. So we are burning the same amount of Dino PLUS the Ethanol. Does 11 gallons of 10% Ethanol produce less emissions than 10 gallons of pure Dino ? Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 13, 2009 3:02 am) See? Now THAT is an interesting question that we'll probably never get a straight answer to because an ethanol proponent's answer would likely be, "You can't compare emissions from different amounts of fuel". But I'm like you. I understand that I'm not burning any less gasoline or doing anything to decrease demand on gasoline production because ethanol has been added to the mix.
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