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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 28, 2009 6:49 am) The real cost to American taxpayers for this totally wrong approach to foreign oil dependence should include the real and total costs of clean-ups and also include the shorter lifespans of boats, boat motors as well as cars. There is nothing good about ethanol in fuels for the US consumer. |
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Latest news by yerth10 ... Another news is in year-2008, the Oil consumption in US fell by over 6% and Worldwide, it fell by 0.6% even after including Ethanol (which actually grew 40%). Ethanol would have taken some market share from Oil. ... Re: Latest news [yerth10] by jkinzel ... Ethanol is a negative energy source; with all the energy used to plant, fertilize, harvest, process and transport, the damage to the land and 10% reduction of MPG for E10, it takes more energy to produce ethanol than is gained. ... Corn-based E10 is good for greedy corn conglomerates and crooked politicians, but is very bad for the economy, the environment, worldwide food production, and a fair number of engines (marine, yard equipment, etc.). The Green movement is losing credibility over E10. It's time to admit E10 was a mistake. |
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The ethanol industry has applied for a waiver to increase the ethanol content from 10% to 15%. EPA is accepting comments until July 20, 2009. The corn-ethanol industry has many lobbyists working for it. But this is our chance to be heard. Often regs pass or waivers like this one are allowed because the regulatory agency received no opposing comments. If we don't take the time to comment, then we have ourselves to blame as well as the ethanol producers. http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2009/April/Day-21/a9115.htm
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Replying to: morin2 (Jun 28, 2009 1:42 pm)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 28, 2009 3:00 pm) |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 28, 2009 6:08 am) The smart thing to do would be to "Drill here and drill now". There are vast amounts of oil under Utah, Montana, and Colorado. We have larger reserves than "Known" reserves in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Yemen combined. I will post the link if I can find it. Add to that the reserves of Natural Gas that are nearly equal to the oil reserves in energy. Also the Rocky Mountains contain an almost inexhaustible amount of oil shale, similar to what Canada refines their oil from. And least we not forget the coal reserves. California is whining about being broke while there are vast amounts of oil sitting off their coast. Yet they will not drill. Why? Kip
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Replying to: kipk (Jul 11, 2009 3:24 am) And yet they have accepted corn ethanol laced gas with open arms. One of the most destructive mandates ever pushed by Congress. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 28, 2009 6:08 am) G-E-M Flex Fuel Cars run on ANY MIXTURE of G-asoline, E-thanol, M-ethanol. A myopic focus on "ethanol" and "corn to ethanol" obscure the opportunity a rapid phase in of Flex Fuel Vehicles offers to avert America and the world's iminent ENERGY CRISIS. 97% of the world's car & plan transporation (not just your car) relies on oil. America imports 70% of it's oil. Eight of nine top oil exporting countries are under control of dictators or autocrats, most of whom don't particularly like America. 78% of the world's oil comes from the OPEC cartel (monopoly). Oil prices have risen with signs of economic recovery. When the economy recovers expect a return of $150 barrel oil. Or in the event of a successful Al queda attack on Saudi's oil processing fields (and there have been numerous unsuccessful attempts) or Iran's threated closing the Straight of Hormuz in the event any country attempts to stop their attainment of a nuclear bomb- gas prices will go to rapidly shot above $200 . Methanol has been produced from wood waste for about 350 years. Today it is produced from also from forestry waste or other organic waste including municipal waste - at about half the cost of ethanol. True, it has less energy than ethanol or gas but it is still a cheaper cost per mile traveled . While Cellulosic ethanol production remains at "reserch quantities" we know other crops, like sugar beets, could produce significantly more energy than corn! Let's strengthen America and weaken the grip foreign oil holds on our country and our future! Watch the 2 minute video at SETAMERICAFREE.org The primary focus must be to ALWAYS keep our vehicles and economy running.
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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) |
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Replying to: setamericafree (Jul 11, 2009 12:28 pm) It's 60% and our biggest imports come from Canada and Mexico. http://www.quoteoil.com/oil-imports.html If you truly want energy independence, why are you not promoting diesel and bio-diesel a fuel that has 40% more energy than gasoline? My concerns are that your motivation is not solely based on energy independence. In my opinion, FLEX Fuel is a sham and one of the reasons GM got in trouble. I will never buy a FF car.
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