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The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol

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Knight XV the Ultimate E85 rig. by gagrice
Dec 30, 2008 (5:40 am)
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This is just what Ahnold needs. Makes the Hummer look like a toy. Luxury with 6 NBA players able to sit in comfort. What more could you ask in an Urban Cruiser?
 
The KNIGHT XV is 240 in length, 98 in width with a ground clearance of 14 and stands at 100. Its wheelbase is 141 and has an armoured curb weight of 10,000 pounds. The vehicle holds 40 gallons of fuel and sits on four, LT40X13.50R20 Mickey Thompson Baja Radial ATZ tires with ballistic run flats.
 
Additionally, the KNIGHT XV contains an E-85 Ethanol conversion system (Flex Fuel) with California emission certification, thereby making it certified in all 50 States.

 

 
What more could a tree hugging ethanol proponent ask for??
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Re: Knight XV the Ultimate E85 rig. [gagrice] by kirstie_h HOST
Dec 30, 2008 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 30, 2008 5:40 am)

Hm... you don't mention the MPG estimates on this one. I suspect you could get upwards of 7 MPG with a strong tailwind.
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Re: Knight XV the Ultimate E85 rig. [kirstie_h] by gagrice
Dec 30, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Dec 30, 2008 6:08 am)

I think 7 MPG with E85 would be optimistic. I found it interesting that there are start-ups using the E85 scam to get by the goofy regulations imposed by the EPA and CARB. If it runs on E85 makes no difference how much of it. That is how GM & Ford will get by the new CAFE regulations. A full sized PU getting 12 MPG on E85 gets an equivalent 33 MPG rating from CAFE. I don't think you will see many Conquest vehicles on the road at $310,000 each. CARB gives this behemoth the nod with its gas guzzling V10 engine. I cannot buy a new small PU with a 4 cylinder diesel engine anywhere in the USA.
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Ethanol boondoggle hits California by gagrice
Jan 10, 2009 (7:23 am)
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Pacific Ethanol to temporarily suspend production
 
updated 12:57 p.m. PT, Fri., Jan. 9, 2009
 
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Pacific Ethanol Inc. on Friday said it plans to temporarily halt production at its 40 million gallon per year ethanol facility located in Madera, Calif., starting Jan. 12, due to extended unfavorable market conditions for ethanol.
 
Demand for ethanol has waned amid record-low crude oil prices and weak oil demand.
 
Pacific Ethanol produces about 114,000 gallons of ethanol per day and employs about 40 full time employees at the Madera plant. The company said it has temporarily laid off Madera employees and plans to reopen the plant "as soon as market conditions allow" and will bring employees back.

 
More bad news for ethanol. Too bad people do not look past their noses. Ethanol history would have told US Corn Ethanol is not going to fly. Now we have more people on unemployment as a result of Government mandates and intervention into business. Will it ever end. Or is it going to continue to get worse?
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The latest bad news by texases
Feb 12, 2009 (6:55 am)
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Here's how the disaster that is ethanol is doing right now:
Ethanol's problems
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Re: The latest bad news [texases] by gagrice
Feb 12, 2009 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: texases (Feb 12, 2009 6:55 am)

All people had to do is look at the 90+ ethanol stills that were shut down in the 1980s to see this was a poor product. If it cannot make it without subsidies it is not a viable source of energy.

“The ethanol industry is on its back despite the billions of dollars they have gotten in taxpayer assistance, and a guaranteed market,” said Amy Myers Jaffe, an energy analyst at Rice University.
 
The government’s Energy Information Administration recently projected that the industry would fall short of the targets for expanded use of ethanol and other biofuels that Congress set in a 2007 energy law. “It’s possible we may have to look at the targets again,” said Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, the chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
 
VeraSun Energy, one of the nation’s largest ethanol producers, has suspended production at 12 of its 16 plants and is planning to sell production facilities. In recent days Renew Energy, Cascade Grain Products and Northeast Biofuels have filed for bankruptcy protection. Pacific Ethanol said it would suspend operations at its Madera, Calif. plant.
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Re: The latest bad news [gagrice] by texases
Feb 12, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 12, 2009 7:22 am)

On top of that, the excuse used to justity corn-based ethanol, that it's a 'bridge' to other sources of bioethanol, is proving to be a sham:
 
"In the meantime, plans are lagging for a new generation of factories that were supposed to produce ethanol from substances like wood chips and crop waste, overcoming the drawbacks of corn ethanol. That nascent branch of the industry concedes it has virtually no chance of meeting Congressional production mandates that kick in next year."
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Re: The latest bad news [texases] by gagrice
Feb 12, 2009 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: texases (Feb 12, 2009 7:38 am)

I think the Congress and President were sipping too much of that Corn Hooch when they mandated ethanol in the 2005 Energy bill. That being a Republican Congress should have known better. Well they lost their jobs by not sticking to core conservative ideals. Now we got an even bigger mess to deal with.
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Here we go again! by fezo
May 10, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 12, 2009 7:42 am)

Ethanol Industry’s 15% Solution Raises Concerns.
 
Like we don't have enough annoyance with E10.
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Re: Here we go again! [fezo] by pf_flyer HOST
May 10, 2009 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (May 10, 2009 7:38 am)

Yea, I love it. The "magic proportion" will somehow get BETTER mileage out of a fuel that has a lower energy density.

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