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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 15, 2008 8:02 am) Good story - careful work, well done. I was waiting for the 'we tried to start it, and bent valves/rods/whatever!' Only way I've heard to take full advantage of E85's octane is with a small-displacement high compression turbo (say 10:1). Computer reduces booste to zero if regular gas used. I am skeptical, because no turbo engine seems to deliver on the 'economy of a 4, power of a 6' claim. The Acura and Mazda turbo 4s seem to use gas just like a 6.
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Replying to: texases (Jun 15, 2008 12:32 pm) Well there was a bit more excitement. I accidentally tried using the distributer from the 72 motor in the rebuilt 69. Turns out the gears at the bottom of the distributer had a different number of teeth. Timing would be fine for a just a second and then nothing. I called my friend over and he asked me the right question or two. The shaft worked off the oil pump. Apparently they changed the number of teeth for the two sets of gears from 69 to 72. Have you seen what Ford wants to do regarding E85 and turbochargers? http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/01/ford_to_introdu.htm |
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Midwest floods may send gas up 15% A bit of a worst case scenario in the vein of much doom and gloom media hype, but yet another probability because of myopic ethanol legislation. The article does make the point that sentiment is growing to rethink much of the legislation.
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Replying to: mattandi (Jun 16, 2008 7:50 am) Reducing the ethanol tariff Another potential solution that is gathering support in Congress is reducing or eliminating the foreign ethanol tariff. The import tariff of 54 cents a gallon on ethanol keeps the price of imported ethanol high in an effort to support domestic farmers. Much of imported ethanol is made from sugar cane, which is cheaper to produce than domestic corn-based ethanol. Energy industry experts say lifting the tariff entirely will likely lower gas prices by 10 cents a gallon, but legislation that proposed canceling the tax found little support in Congress. As a result, Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Judd Gregg, R-N.H., recently introduced a compromise bill to reduce the tariff to 45 cents. "The need for inexpensive and cleaner-burning fuels continues to grow, and yet U.S. refiners are forced to pay a 54-cent tariff on ethanol imported from Brazil and other foreign sources," Feinstein said on the Senate floor last week. "This makes no sense, given the record oil prices and the limited supplies of domestic ethanol."
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 16, 2008 8:57 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 16, 2008 8:57 am) Going from $0.54 tariff to $0.45 is a compromise? Not in my world. Going from $0.54 to $0.27 is a compromise.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 16, 2008 11:20 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 16, 2008 11:40 am) Sure wouldn't hurt, given Petrobras' recent oil discoveries  and Venezuela's recent actions 
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Replying to: texases (Jun 16, 2008 12:04 pm) Brazil has found enough oil to become energy independent. They may just want to share with US. Or are we going to add a big tariff on their oil also? It sounds like they would like to spend some of that new found wealth on developing our oil shale. When you think about it, that is a kick. |
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I wonder if $8 a bushel corn has put the proverbial last nail in the coffin for ethanol. Probably not, but I would bet that it stopped future expansion. Any high cost plants out there will shut down. AAA is reporting that E85 nation wide jumped to $3.827. That is a 50 cent jump. I suspect the number is wrong. The adjusted price is $5.036. RUG is at $4.073 PUG is at $4.481 I have stopped using the E10 because I suspected that the mpg was a lot lower than RUG minus the ethanol. That seems to be the case. My highway travel is now 1-2 mpg better with RUG than E10. Theory says I should lose only 3%. My car can take advantage of the 89 octane of E10, however, losses appear to be greater. The loss maybe be as high as 4% to 5%. Maybe this weekend I'll get to crunching the actual numbers. |
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