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Hybrid Vehicles Ethanol - E85 FlexFuel The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol
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Replying to: tfb27 (Jun 14, 2008 10:59 am) Theoretically, you're correct. Practically, can't happen, because the engines must still be able to run regular gas, and couldn't with a 12.5:1 ratio. This is an oft-repeated, false arguement for E85. Even CU mentioned it in their article condemning E85. Can't imagine why. |
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Replying to: tfb27 (Jun 14, 2008 10:59 am) Cooking rice, I guess that is a feature I'm not familiar with. Let me check the owners manual........ No, there is nothing in the owners manual about cooking rice.  Maybe the people that built the car in Georgetown, Kentucky, USA forgot to put it in.  "And I need E85 to 20% less costly than gas and it is a wash." It is not going to be that cheap if corn gets to $7.25 a bushel. http://redtrailenergyllc.com/index.php/commodity_bids/ "Record corn prices pushed up by flooding in the Midwest have forced five small to mid-sized U.S. ethanol plants to shut and output of the biofuel could be slowed for months, a Citi research note said on Friday. " http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080613/bs_nm/ethanol_profits_closures_dc Ethanol plants were built when corn was a lot cheaper. They are not going to last long at $7 a bushel. Historic Average Monthly North Dakota Corn Prices ($/Bushel) Per Data Supplied by the National Agricultural Statistics Service January February March April May June July August September October November December 2005 $1.91 $1.64 $1.79 $1.85 $1.86 $1.87 $1.87 $1.82 $1.77 $1.73 $1.67 $1.73 2006 $1.72 $1.80 $1.84 $1.90 $1.95 $1.89 $1.88 $1.89 $1.99 $2.23 $2.42 $2.63 2007 $2.92 $3.07 $3.11 $2.92 $3.04 $3.33 $3.27 $3.16 $3.19 $2.97 $3.08 $3.47 2008 $3.66 $4.40 $4.57 Future forecast 2009 $10.00 September, 2009 - 75 % of all the ethanol plants close. 2010 $3.75 |
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A 51 cent tax credit per gallon not .45 paid directly by the good ol taxpayer in addition to the tariff on Brazilian ethanol and it's still not an economically viable substitute. "It may sound green, Patzek says, but that's because many scientists are not looking at the whole picture. According to his research, more fossil energy is used to produce ethanol than the energy contained within it. Patzek's ethanol critique began during a freshman seminar he taught in which he and his students calculated the energy balance of the biofuel. Taking into account the energy required to grow the corn and convert it into ethanol, they determined that burning the biofuel as a gasoline additive actually results in a net energy loss of 65 percent. Later, Patzek says he realized the loss is much more than that even. " http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm Drop the tariff immediately, it's poor economics and costing the consumer. Better yet, drop the tariff and the .51/gal tax credit and let the market mandate the solution while giving the government one less bill to pay. With 10% of all tax revenues going to simply paying the interest on our 9 trillion dollar national debt. We can't afford no stinkin' subsidies.
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| Oh the Mexicans are starving! Oh the Americans cant afford food! All because of ethanol. Here is the math. There is 56 lbs of corn in a bushel and lets say corn is $5.60 per bushel. Thats $0.10 per lb. If a box of cereal is 1 lb and the main ingredient is corn (lets say 60%) then there is only $0.06 of corn in a box. So what if corn $7+. Then there is $0.065 of corn in a box of cereal. Yep everyone is starving and cant afford food. Subway has $5 footlongs and McD's has an dollar menu but we cant afford to eat. | |
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Replying to: duke23 (Jun 14, 2008 5:53 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 14, 2008 11:16 am) If you lose 2 mpg I dont know what to say. I only lose 20% with E85 in an F150. My buddy has a GM and only loses 20% also. Maybe you should check with the dealer for calibration updates.
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Replying to: tfb27 (Jun 14, 2008 7:50 pm) Thanks for pointing out another government screw-up - mandating oxygenate content because of the very slight, and debateable, pollution impact. A recent study by Stanford, I think, found that overall, emissions are higher with E10. So first we poison some groundwater with MTBE, then wast billions and drive up food prices with ethanol, all for naught. 
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Replying to: texases (Jun 14, 2008 1:43 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jun 14, 2008 7:54 pm) |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 14, 2008 7:43 am) Here is the problem with diesel. The cost of the engine is still higher than a gas version and the emissions requirements make the after treatment of the exhaust even more expensive. This doesnt happen in FFV's
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