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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 12, 2008 6:23 pm) There is a lot of land under water that will take weeks if not months to dry to the point that any crops can be planted.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 12, 2008 8:11 pm) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 12, 2008 8:05 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 12, 2008 6:23 pm)
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Replying to: tfb27 (Jun 13, 2008 3:27 pm) And how do you think that ethanol, that has done nothing to cut importation of foreign oil, is helping reduce food and gas prices? Don't you find it odd that as soon as the ethanol mandate was passed by Congress that gas prices started going up along with oil prices? Or the price of corn has risen dramatically since the mandate. That Wheat and Soy crops were not planted to make room for the boom in corn? Or was that just all coincidence? If you are one of the beneficiaries of the ethanol boondoggle, I fully understand your position. If you are just wanting an alternative no matter what the cost in human suffering I do not understand. I will not argue that ethanol is not a viable alternative fuel. It is the use of food for bio fuels I find ridiculous. If it was just about ethanol, we would remove the tariff from Brazilian ethanol and get them to produce it with sugar cane. That makes more sense.
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Well now I have to worry about my beef fed with the ethanol by-product "Distillers Grain" Distillers' Grain In Cattle Feed May Contribute To E. Coli Infection ScienceDaily (Jan. 22, 2008) — A new study suggests that the addition of dried distillers’ grain, an ethanol by-product, to cattle feed may contribute to the prevalence of E. coli O157 infection in cattle. The researchers from Kansas State University, Manhattan report their findings in the January 2008 issue of the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology. Escherichia coli O157 is a significant food-borne pathogen of which cattle are major reservoirs. Colonization by E. coli O157 in cattle occurs in the gut and is shed in the feces. Diet is considered to be one of the factors influencing the prevalence and shedding of E. coli O157, emphasizing the need to examine dietary components and their impact on the physiological environment of the gut and the survival of E. coli O157. Distillers’ grain is the coproduct that remains following the distillation of ethanol. It may be dehydrated to produce dried distillers’ grain (DDG) which is then commonly used as livestock feed. In the study cattle were administered one of three diets including: no dried distillers’ grain, steam-flaked corn and 15% corn silage with 0 to 25% dried distillers’ grains, or steam-flaked corn with 5% corn silage and 25% dried distillers’ grains, after which fecal samples were collected and tested for E. coli O157. Results showed that cattle fed with 25% dried distillers’ grains and 5% or 15% silage had higher prevalence of E. coli O157 than cattle fed a diet without dried distillers’ grains. “The results indicate that there is a positive association between dried distillers’ grain and E. coli O157 in cattle, and the findings should have important ramifications for food safety,” say the researchers. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080122102428.htm In reality cattle should never be fed CORN. It is bad for them. Looks like the ethanol boondoggle is making it worse.
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Replying to: tfb27 (Jun 13, 2008 3:32 pm) I did,  "Many ethanol plants now produce 2.7 gallons of ethanol and about 18 pounds of animal feed from each bushel of corn." http://www.iowacorn.org/cornuse/cornuse_20.html ""We've a pretty steep learning curve with distillers grains here (compared with use of corn)," Droulliard said, "because it takes time to figure out how to use it." "Distillers grains and cattle health issues also were addressed, with Droulliard noting there are risks such as mycotoxins in the feed, along with high mineral content, especially sulfur. Monitoring is advised. " http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/jun08/jun2/Biofuelsco-productfeedingis.cfm?titl- e=Biofuels%20co-product%20feeding%20is%20Roundup%20topic 2008 Impala E85 - combined MPG = 16 RUG - combined MPG = 22 AAA National Average as of 6/13/08 RUG = $4.066/22mpg = 18.5 cents per mile - the winner  E85 = $3.344/16mpg = 20.9 cents per mile BTUs Diesel - 129,500 Gasoline - 114,100 E85 - 81,100 The potential energy in E85 is less than that of gasoline or diesel. "As ethanol demand grows, so does 'Dead Zone' in Gulf of Mexico" http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/22/bloomberg/bxdead.php
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 13, 2008 3:38 pm) Oil prices started rising because China and Indias inustry stsrted to ramp up. im 2007 the US planted 92M acrea of corn vs 86 in 2006. Now in 2008 we are back down to about 87. There isnt any human suffering in the US. We are a nation of overweight people. Field corn used for ethanol cant be eaten by humans which is used for animals. So it is no different than using weeds for fuel. The tariff on Brazillian ethanol is planned on goingaway in the furture anyway. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 13, 2008 7:09 pm)
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