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The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol

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Re: $1.34/Gallon for Ethanol [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 5:29 am)

I like to think of it as a government handout to the wealthy. If I loan you money to go into business and the government guarantees you will pay me back. When your business goes broke, who pays the bill? Yes the tax payer. I have not risked anything, you have not risked anything. Only the tax payer has taken any risk. And he has no recourse to say wait a minute that was my money you flushed down the ethanol toilet.
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Re: $1.34/Gallon for Ethanol [gagrice] by bpizzuti
Jun 03, 2008 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 03, 2008 5:46 am)

That's right, welcome to the brave new world of neo-capitalism, where the people must not only subsidize their own business ventures with no safety net, but also make sure those who can hire powerful lobbyists never lose their shirts on their business ventures.
 
Of course, the whole corn ethanol thing was corny to begin with. Laugh har har. I still think we should have just licensed Brazil's sugarcane technology..it's a better starting point. At least Hawaii would be able to grow it's own fuel.
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Re: $1.34/Gallon for Ethanol [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2008 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 5:52 am)

At least Hawaii would be able to grow it's own fuel
 
Sadly most of the sugar growers are gone from Hawaii. None left on the Big Island. A bit left on Maui. I think they are selling off the last of the cane land on Kauai. It seems that I read Oprah and Bette Midler are buying a lot of it.
 
If Congress were serious about ethanol replacing any of our fossil fuel they would lift the 53 cent tariff on Brazilian ethanol. The sooner if becomes a fair market commodity the sooner we will know if it is viable.
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Re: $1.34/Gallon for Ethanol [bpizzuti] by jkinzel
Jun 03, 2008 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 5:29 am)

Remember Congress is looking at lowering subsidies for corn ethanol.
Well that should only take another 5 to 10 years to pass. Remember that when you are talking about Government and time you have to think in geological speeds.
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Re: $1.34/Gallon for Ethanol [jkinzel] by fezo
Jun 03, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 03, 2008 6:25 am)

True enough. Heck, they didn't technically end WWII with all the paperwork and such until 1952!
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Corn going for $7.25 a bushel by avalon02wh
Jun 12, 2008 (6:23 pm)
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One bushel of corn can make 2.7 gallons of ethanol. That works out to a cost of $2.68 per gallon of ethanol just for the corn feedstock. At those prices the ethanol plants are going to need to charge $4 a gallon just to break even. And since ethanol will only get you 70% as far, the adjusted price for E85 could be over $5 a gallon.
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Re: Corn going for $7.25 a bushel [avalon02wh] by gagrice
Jun 12, 2008 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 12, 2008 6:23 pm)

There are ethanol plants going broke because corn is so high. I personally think Ethanol is responsible for the current high price of gas. It is responsible for the high price of corn for sure. Congress has created a HUGE mess with their ethanol mandate.
 
AAA says that E85 adjusted for mileage is about 36 cents per gallon more expensive than Regular unleaded Nation wide.
 
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/
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Re: Corn going for $7.25 a bushel [avalon02wh] by jkinzel
Jun 12, 2008 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 12, 2008 6:23 pm)

With all the flooding in the mid-west I wonder if there will be enough corn planted to cover the mandate let alone provide food just for the US.
 
There is a lot of land under water that will take weeks if not months to dry to the point that any crops can be planted.
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Re: Corn going for $7.25 a bushel [jkinzel] by gagrice
Jun 12, 2008 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 12, 2008 8:11 pm)

They got a mess back there. Of course it is all caused by GW or was that AG?
 
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Re: Corn going for $7.25 a bushel [gagrice] by tfb27
Jun 13, 2008 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 12, 2008 8:05 pm)

Ethanol is keeping gas prices and food prices lower. It is the global boom that is driving up the price of oil and food.

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