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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 03, 2008 4:18 am) I think in CA they put 10% ethanol in our regular 87. I know the times I have driven to AZ in both my 05 GMC PU and our Sequoia we would get better mileage with the gas over there that does not say ethanol added. We usually fill at the ARCO in Yuma, AZ. The last trip was in the Sequoia and the trip from home to Yuma we got 15 MPG over the 200 miles, much of it down hill into the desert. From Yuma to Phoenix we got just over 17 MPG driving mostly 75-80 MPH. It has to be the crap E10 gas in CA that kills mileage. That is about a 12% loss in mileage. Same results on the return trip. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 03, 2008 4:18 am) McDaniel said that without greater loan guarantees, Iogen and backers Royal Dutch Shell and Goldman Sachs weren't comfortable building in Idaho. What risk will Shell and Sachs have if Canada is putting up the money to build the plant? Will Shell reap the benefits if it is a booming success? To my way of thinking if tax dollars are spent on these ethanol plants, the profits belong to the taxpayers. We did this in the late 1970s with corn ethanol. Our tax dollars guaranteed the investment in those ethanol stills. When the market went flat and 90 stills went out of business you and I were the ones that lost money. I consider that corporate welfare. I would love to have a multi million dollar business without investing my own money. I do think the Iogen system shows promise and that using government funds would be good as long as they get repaid if the project is successful.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 03, 2008 6:09 am)  Remember Congress is looking at lowering subsidies for corn ethanol.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 6:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 03, 2008 6:46 am)  Of course, the whole corn ethanol thing was corny to begin with. Laugh har har. I still think we should have just licensed Brazil's sugarcane technology..it's a better starting point. At least Hawaii would be able to grow it's own fuel.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 6:52 am) Sadly most of the sugar growers are gone from Hawaii. None left on the Big Island. A bit left on Maui. I think they are selling off the last of the cane land on Kauai. It seems that I read Oprah and Bette Midler are buying a lot of it. If Congress were serious about ethanol replacing any of our fossil fuel they would lift the 53 cent tariff on Brazilian ethanol. The sooner if becomes a fair market commodity the sooner we will know if it is viable. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 03, 2008 6:29 am) Well that should only take another 5 to 10 years to pass. Remember that when you are talking about Government and time you have to think in geological speeds.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 03, 2008 7:25 am) |
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One bushel of corn can make 2.7 gallons of ethanol. That works out to a cost of $2.68 per gallon of ethanol just for the corn feedstock. At those prices the ethanol plants are going to need to charge $4 a gallon just to break even. And since ethanol will only get you 70% as far, the adjusted price for E85 could be over $5 a gallon.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 12, 2008 7:23 pm) AAA says that E85 adjusted for mileage is about 36 cents per gallon more expensive than Regular unleaded Nation wide. http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/
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