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Replying to: pf_flyer (May 08, 2008 4:55 am) This statement alone should be grounds for impeachment or dismissal. No one displaying this type of ignorance should be entrusted with a public position.
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Replying to: jkinzel (May 08, 2008 7:05 am) Wouldn't that leave us with a grand total of about 3 people in Washington?
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 08, 2008 7:11 am) I didn't think of that, but now that you have mentioned it, you might be a bit optimistic at 3. And Gary, I agree, boot them all and start over. I’m detecting a pattern here. |
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Gas prices keep rising. So why are ethanol producers hurting? Let's see.... government mandates the stuff, gives subsides to growers, puts tariffs on the imported stuff and subsidizes the end users and these people are losing money. Swell. I'd say pass the tequila but it's getting subsidized out of the market.... |
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Ask Dub Schwartz!
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Replying to: pf_flyer (May 10, 2008 3:21 pm) |
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Replying to: tpe (Apr 30, 2008 4:29 pm) Yes, I think this is awesome, making fuel in your back-yard through a non-combustible process. Many of the articles fail to mention that the sugar source is from Mexico and non-edible. It's extremely cheap and that company is looking to provide a distribution network for the sugar. Also, there is a Discarded Alcohol Recovery mode, that reduces the price to 10 cents a gallon. EFuel100 Oh, and someone keeps mentioning the subsidies. That 51 cents/gallon credit goes mostly to OIL companies, because they didn't want to stop adding MTBE (cancer causing and ground water polluting) to the fuel as a oxygenate. The credit was to help build the infrastructure for the blending. We get some of that money back thru taxing non-US ethanol.
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Replying to: sirlena (May 11, 2008 5:27 am) Yes the refinery gets the 51 cents per gallon subsidy for adding ethanol. Not to eliminate the MTBE. MTBE was also a government mandate that IS totally unnecessary. Even the EPA website has a good article on the fact that oxygenated fuel is no longer needed. So the fact that ethanol is an oxygenate in small percentages is a waste. The Mandate to lace our unleaded gas with ethanol is corporate welfare to companies like Exxon, ADM and VERASUN. It saves America NOTHING. My mileage drops more than 10% with whatever ethanol they add to our gas in CA. So absolutely no help on cutting imported oil. You may be convinced that corn ethanol is a good alternative fuel. I don't think you have swayed many others in that direction. Now that several ethanol stills are going broke due to high corn prices what say ye? That is exactly what happened to the Brazilian ethanol industry in the 1980s. Sugar was more valuable as food. No one gets that 53 cent tariff on Brazilian ethanol. It is just added to the price of our ethanol laced gas. Even with the 53 cent tariff Brazil can produce ethanol cheaper than our farmers can with highly subsidized corn. That to me shows the folly in calling it an alternative. It is merely a scam perpetrated on the American public. By the logic exhibited with corn ethanol legislation we should be adding a 25% tariff on cars coming from Japan, Korea and Germany, while giving a 25% subsidy to the Big 3 manufacturers in the USA. |
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