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#480 of 921 Enough by pf_flyer HOST May 01, 2008 (9:43 am)
Let's stop the personal commentary now please and move on.   I've removed the recent postings where this has gone over the edge to stop this in its tracks   Any further posting involving name calling or commenting on other users will be removed.
#481 of 921 hydrogen vs ethanol by elias May 02, 2008 (5:55 am)
nascar57, please note that hydrogen/fuel-cell is not an energy source, it is just a means with which to store energy produced from something else.   it's debatable whether ethanol is an energy source or an energy sink, but from what i've seen, it can indeed by a net energy source.   cheers !
#482 of 921 Now for the bad news, ethanol makers by texases May 02, 2008 (12:15 pm)
Looks like ethanol plants are not such money-makers with corn prices high. This very plant was in a recent National Geographic, where the owner boasted that they would be the one that will be left standing when all other large, non-feed-lot-integrated plants fail.   Ethanol Plant Bankrupt Replies to this message: tpe (May 02, 2008 1:12 pm) gagrice (May 02, 2008 1:52 pm)
#483 of 921 Re: Now for the bad news, ethanol makers [texases] by tpe May 02, 2008 (1:12 pm)
Replying to: texases (May 02, 2008 12:15 pm) A lot of planned ethanol refineries have been put on hold or canceled due to high corn prices. There's still money to be made in refining ethanol but it requires the economy of scale that only the major players possess. I'm not a fan of our current ethanol policies and I really hope the government doesn't step in and further manipulate the markets to allow less efficient refineries to be viable.
#484 of 921 Re: Now for the bad news, ethanol makers [texases] by gagrice May 02, 2008 (1:52 pm)
Replying to: texases (May 02, 2008 12:15 pm) My understanding is we guaranteed as tax payers those construction loans. So it will be that much more money down the old ethanol toilet for US taxpayers. Unless it is only the big operators that get the corporate welfare.
#485 of 921 Rethinking things? by pf_flyer HOST May 08, 2008 (4:55 am)
Look Before Leaping is usually good advice. Replies to this message: jkinzel (May 08, 2008 7:05 am) bpizzuti (May 08, 2008 7:11 am) jkinzel (May 08, 2008 8:20 am) gagrice (May 08, 2008 7:37 am)

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