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#1727 of 2218 Re: Another last follow-up [belacqua]
Aug 14, 2010 (6:44 pm)
Three times my 2000 CRV was in the shop in the last two years to have the condenser replaced. The vehicle was 8 years old (128K miles) the first time it broke and I realized the first time that things break after awhile, but not three times in the two subsequent years.
When the AC began clunking on Monday I knew what to expect. This time instead of taking the vehicle to my local mechanic, I went to the dealership. They diagnosed (for only $60 instead of the normal $125) that the car had a bad case of the Black Death, and quoted just over $4K to repair the entire system. They asked American Honda for assistance but because the car is so old, Honda America understandably would not give me any assistance. However the local shop got the price down to $3147. (The parts alone came to $2065). The local shop, according to their invoice had replaced the parts (compressor, clutch, condenser, and freon each time and belts once); the dealership did the same plus replaced numerous pipes and hoses. The dealership mechanic told me that there shards probably from the first time the condenser went out; he said they get caught in the pipes and hoses then recycle through to damage the replacement parts. So each time after the first 'fix' that the AC had problems, and it appears that the shards had broken loose from the old pipes and hoses and recontaminated the system. Though the small shop told me about the black death, they did not replace all the hoses and pipes, or at least did not put it on the invoice, and charged me about half what the dealership charged. They also used after market parts, which I assume are probably fine normally if the shards were not in the closed system.
So, now the car's been fixed at the dealership. I have piece of mind that the problem is fixed and I will drive the Texas summers comfortably for the next 171K miles. What I have learned from this is that there are some things one MUST go to the dealership for.
#1728 of 2218 2004 CRV Black Death
Aug 16, 2010 (12:30 pm)
My 2004 CRV can be added to the Black Death list. I have 80000 miles on it and the AC went out a few weeks ago. I heard a loud noise while driving on the highway and then it began blowing hot air. At first I was hopeful that it just needed freon, but no such luck. The whole system needed to be replaced to the tune of $3200. The dealer contacted Honda and they agreed to pay 60% of the cost. I was still out over $1300 with tax. I am upset that a recall has not been done, since apparently this is fairly common. I was told that I have 3yrs/36000mile warrenty on the new ac system, so I am crossing my fingers that I do not have the same issue down the road.
#1729 of 2218 Honda AC Black Death
Aug 16, 2010 (2:16 pm)
Apparently Ford FX and Ford FS also have the same type of compressor issues resulting in Black Death.
#1731 of 2218 isellhondas, how many miles are normal ?
Aug 16, 2010 (3:33 pm)
After reading a lot of your postings that state that the older, higher mileage CRVs failures are normal, I was just wondering what you consider premature. Should 36 K miles be the ultimate point where Honda says no more repairs are covered ?
This is not a rip towards you, I really would like to hear your opinion on what a buyer should expect from Honda. I agree that 8-10 year old cars with 100k are no longer elgible for free replacement. ( sure that won't be popular to some)
In my case, the failure happened at just under 4 years and just over 48 K. Was mine premature ? Do you think Honda should cover a portion ? If so how much ?
We buy Hondas for their "dependable" reputation, are we suckers to expect more than 36K of reliability. My wife has 4 yr/50K standard warranty on her 5 series, if she keeps it, I will be buying a warranty. With a Honda, I was foolish enough to pass on the extended warranty based on Honda's image. Funny how it works, thought I would be in the BMW sevice department more than Hondas.
#1732 of 2218 Re: Honda AC Black Death [alana50]
Aug 16, 2010 (3:37 pm)
I wonder if posters who have done this repair could post the brand and model number of the replacement compressors? Hopefully that info is on their bill.
Are we allowed to post links here? I was reading about Black Death from a site called Polar Bear. Seems some models were replaced and the old ones (in Nissan and Isuzu) used two identical types, but the newer ones have an aluminum part instead of steel. The old steel ones were too hardy and lasted too long. I am guessing this decision to use aluminum was not for saving weight, it is more about ensuring the part fails and lands u back at the dealer for repairs. It should be criminal though to use a part they KNOW will take out the rest of the system when that one part fails.
If i find replacement units that have a better history of longevity, I will post them. Hopefully I get the straight poop tho when I ask.
#1734 of 2218 Honda Must Defend Suit Over Air Conditioner Defects
Aug 17, 2010 (6:36 am)
March 31, 2010, 9:22 PM EDT
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* Honda Must Defend Suit Over Air Conditioner Defects (Update1)
By David Voreacos
April 1 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co.’s U.S. unit must defend a lawsuit claiming it knowingly sold cars with defective air conditioners and refused to pay for repair costs, a judge ruled.
U.S. District Judge Katharine Hayden said yesterday in Newark, New Jersey, that motorist Jon Alin may proceed with claims that American Honda Motor Co. engaged in fraud and breached warranties over Hondas and Acuras sold or leased between 2000 and 2009.
Hayden granted Honda’s request to dismiss two of the eight counts in the complaint, filed under the Class Action Fairness Act. Alin claims that after he leased a 2006 Odyssey, the air conditioner stopped working and a Honda technician told him he was “experiencing a common problem,” according to the opinion.
“A fair reading of the complaint establishes that Alin has alleged that Honda affirmatively acted in concealing a flaw in its vehicles,” Hayden ruled in a 28-page opinion. Alin alleges “Honda implemented its warranty policy with the intent that it would not honor it when damages stemming from the defective A/C systems arose,” according to the ruling.
Hayden said Alin adequately stated claims that Honda breached an express warranty and a duty of good faith and fair dealing, and that it violated the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act and committed common law fraud. She dismissed claims of breach of implied warranty and unjust enrichment.
With the ruling, the case will proceed to pre-trial gathering of evidence, or discovery.
Chris Martin, a spokesman for Tokyo-based Honda, declined to comment on the litigation.
The case is Jon Alin v. American Honda Motor Co., 08-cv- 4825, U.S. District Court, District of New Jersey (Newark).
Honda fell 0.5 percent to 3,285 yen as of 10:17 a.m. in Tokyo.
--Editors: Mary Romano, Ian Rowley, Chana Schoenberger
To contact the reporters on this story: David Voreacos in Newark, New Jersey at dvoreacosbloomberg.net.
To contact the editor responsible for this story: David E. Rovella at drovellabloomberg.net.
#1736 of 2218 2007 CRV compressor clutch
Aug 17, 2010 (2:49 pm)
I have been reading the posts in this forum and thought I should contribute my experience just as documentation. I have 52,000 miles on my 2007 CR-V. It is the family car. I also drive from Buffalo, NY to NYC several times a year and go down to Virginia once a year. My compressor clutch went out during the July 4th heat wave while I was driving back to Buffalo from Virginia. When my local dealership said the part was on back order until August 20th I started looking into why that should be and found this forum. Yes this might be the hottest summer in many years but it is not as though my AC gets that much use. When you think about how short the summer season is in Western NY it seems strange that my compressor clutch went bad. I agree with many others on this site. Honda is not getting a vote of confidence from me. This was my first Honda...and it may be my last! And the dealership never hinted that this was a problem that Honda has seen all too many times.