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You are in the Honda CR-V
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Honda CR-V, Heating / Cooling, SUV
#1703 of 2218 Re: 2005 Honda CR-V Compressor [gimmestdtranny]
Aug 12, 2010 (9:36 am)
But I do want to give you credit for at least one thing. By your own admission the first-price dealers are telling customers is almost 3 x's the cost of an A/C installed at the dealer level still in many cars today. A recent example I have first hand knowledge with is a base model of the Hyundai Accent. Dealer installed at around 1200 or 1300 bucks. And there is nothing overly uniquely different in principle in a manual A/C system other than design flaws (i.e. not enough air getting to a condenser causing it to run hot and therefore strain the compressor...as only one of many many examples) so costs should all be around that figure, and has been for 2 decades. Simple increased sales figures and manufacturing numbers have offset inflation, to hold that price of 1000 to 1500 bucks per unit.
And on that same vein, this is another detail that sticks in my craw. When a dealer says, ok ok, out of Good Will (roll eyes) we will charge you half the usual price. Well DUH, just because they attempted to OVERCHARGE in the first place, does not leave me feeling like i been the recipient of much good will when i STILL had to pay for what the unit should have cost full on, in the FIRST place! Again...they treat us like we are stupid. The problem is though, too many fold like wet napkin. I commend those here who opt NOT to fold.
I think if you ever worked on the house, or a car would realize that it is much easier to do a fresh install than a retrofit. During a retrofit, or repair you always have to spend twice as much time removing the old components as it takes to install new.
I don't know what you do a for a living, but imagine someone coming to you and stating that they think you chagre/get paid too much for what you do. How would you feel about it?
#1704 of 2218 Re: 2005 Honda CR-V Compressor
Aug 12, 2010 (9:44 am)
"Am I the only one here who feels these types of remarks by you is getting old long ago?" No, you aren't. As I said a while ago, best to ignore all his posts.
The fact that Honda replaces the flawed comp. with another flawed one, over and over again, is more than dishonest, it's immoral.
#1705 of 2218 Re: 2005 Honda CR-V Compressor [blueiedgod]
Aug 12, 2010 (10:03 am)
You are confusing issues. First of all, what would you be removing in order to install a dealer-installed kit A/C besides a few components that are in the identical area that you have to access anyway?
In order to be environmentally conscious you would have to evacuate the system, but you work on someone else's car while that is going on.
You could add (some time) for rusted fasteners on a used vs new car. And (some) time to pull the old stuff out of the way.
But TWICE? You can justify twice the costs? See, don't give me that..
I am a mechanic and a contractor and have built my own house and done renovations on others. I have also worked in sales, so I have and can see both sides of the coin here. I also have a conscience and the ability to determine right from wrong treatment of a person/customer. It is often as simple as that. It isn't rocket science. I have read posts in other threads on this site, and the attitude is often self-attempted-justification of how much can you extract out of the other person. And sales people seem to think that as long as they are in 'sales'....anything goes. Well...again...that's not true, not rocket science.
And to keep us on track here, Honda knows full well what they have on their hands here with the CRV A/C systems. They have nickel counters who are weighing how little can this whole thing cost them, yet not risk losing a customer forever.
As for your question:
"I don't know what you do a for a living, but imagine someone coming to you and stating that they think you chagre/get paid too much for what you do. How would you feel about it?"
In answering your question but keeping it within context with this thread/problem, I would expect the company, who I represent every day day in and day out, to back me in keeping OUR (reasonable) customers happy.
#1706 of 2218 Re: 2005 Honda CR-V Compressor [shima1]
Aug 12, 2010 (9:56 am)
Yes that's true. I've been trying and have managed to ignore the last 10 or so, but today I caved.
And I caved because it is my hope that new posters don't be made to feel like they are complaining over nothing or have their concerns pooh pooh'd. So my hope is that my post offsets his irrationale, and re-instills confidence in those who gently force their dealer to do the 'right thing'.
#1708 of 2218 Re: 2005 Honda CR-V Compressor [gimmestdtranny]
Aug 12, 2010 (1:00 pm)
I deleted the first response to you and it's probably a good thing I did.
First of all, I don't need you to teach me about how a car runs. I've been in the automotive industry all of my life and I once ran a large shop.
I heve been around these forums since they started and I have watched minor grass fires rage into infernos as more and more people with problems flock to the "problems" forums. Some are real and others have been blown way out of proportion. A lot of people have neen needlessly frightened into thinking they better not take their car on vacation lest some component such as an A/C pump could suddenly fail.
I'm not sure just how many miles or how many years you think an A/C compressor should last but given enough time, sooner or later, they will fail providing the car itself has a very long life.
Life isn't even and some people will have much better luck than others.
I am no longer am involved with Honda...I really don't care!
I only passed on the info that I got from several key people at the store where I worked and that is (and still is) that they have not experienced this on CRV's any more so than on any other model Honda and that A/C pump failures aren't very common.
Now, having said that, I do feel for the people who have been hit with these huge repair bills. My wife drives a CRV and it's seven years old with 50,000 miles.
I still don't think that it's a DESIGN or COMPONENT flaw whe something breaks that is many thousands of miles or many years beyond it's warranty.