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Honda CR-V, Heating / Cooling, SUV
#1662 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:49 pm)
Thanks for the good info Vinnie. I wish I had seen the long version. I have checked with several independent shops, and the consensus is about $1,500 for a compressor, condenser and expansion valve. I don't think that is going to do it because I heard a terrible metallic grinding noise just before losing cold air. I had just started the vehicle in the driveway when it happened. So I'm assuming the shrapnel scenario.
Based on your earlier post, I've even considered doing this job myself. I've done a fair amount of mechanic'ing on my '66 Mustang, but a 2003 Honda is a whole other animal. I had planned to keep the CR-V indefinitely, but after this, I don't know.
#1663 of 2218 Re: AC is a luxery not a necessity [stevedebi]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Aug 03, 2010 (3:11 pm)
To be clear... mine did not turn off the light or the compressor..
When "defrost" is selected, both the light and the compressor still come on... BUT, when I then push the button, the light and the compressor both go off...
I guess my point is.... the light still indicates whether the compressor is running, or not... The compressor isn't running, when the light is off...
At least, I don't think so.... I traded that car in, two years ago...
#1664 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 03, 2010 (3:46 pm)
Boy, I don't know...all of that labor and you put on a chinese made compressor?
I just haven't heard any good reports but maybe things have improved quality wise.
Harbor Freight sells junk and they sell some things that wold probably work perfectly well for once in awhile home use.
I know the pros won't touch their stuff.
What would the price difference have been between the chinese pump and a quality (?) rebuilt one?
Labor rates are nuts now but so are overhead charges, the wages it takes to attract quality people and thxes and insurance.
The shops aren't really getting rich.
#1665 of 2218 CR-V a/c compressor issue and serpentine belt
Aug 03, 2010 (5:35 pm)
My 02 CR-V's ( 102,000 miles) a/c stopped working a few weeks ago, I thought I just needed a freon refill as I do not remember any loud noises, just a hiss and no more cold air, then this weekend I started having trouble keeping my car from stalling out when I was in idle, I also noticed a burning rubber smell, no warning lights came home, I managed to get home and when I opened the hood I was surprised to see the serpentine belt broken right in half. I took it in today and was told the clutch and pulley on the a/c compressor was broken and that caused the serpentine belt to break and he was unable to fix it and suggested a radiator and a/c specialist that quoted me 950 to fix it. My dad is helping me out and having his mechanic look at it to see what can be done, I can live without a/c in my car but it's my impression that this issue is bigger for most people than just having a/c or not, am I right or could there be something else wrong with my car? Thanks!
#1666 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [zgreat1]
Aug 03, 2010 (5:45 pm)
Have you heard back from NHTSA? I am on my 3rd ac unit and Honda is not willing to do anything due to high miles on the car. I travel for my job and need a dependable car with AC which is why I bought the Honda.
#1667 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [isellhondas]
Aug 04, 2010 (5:04 am)
you sound JUST like the homers who crapped all over the first hondas and datsuns that reached our shores when Roger Smith ordered GM to NOT include import sales unts in the market forecasts presented to him
Based on my SUBSTANTIAL experience of buying Chicom tools (I was an early adopter of buying stuff from Harbor Freight), I can say that my own personal experience is that the tools are of perfect quality for me..perhaps not for a professional mechanic, but certainly good enough to build a 454 zz440 and a blown 355 small block chevy that will leave your rice rockets in the DISTANT rear view mirror
As far as ChiCom car components, I admit that that they've had their share of problems which is why I've been very careful about buying any aftermarket parts. I can't say that I've had any problems attributable to ChiCom manufactures products. That includes a bunch of Heier refrigerators/freezers that we bought at WalMart. What data do you have that demonstrates that Chicom components are inferior to any other country of origin?
Geez, you must be REALLY upset that Geely bought Volvo which gives the Chicoms what they wanted the most - US distribution. For your health, I certainly hope that you don't have to change your non de plume to isellgeeely
Please relax, it's all a global village.
And I am VERY comfortable that all my work went into installing a Chinese air compressor and not to some fat cat mega car dealer so that he make make his next boat payment.
Maybe you should up the dose of antihypertensive that you're on or take a Vicodin or something. Oooops, now that I think of it, that will only make you more upset because the vast majority of drug raw materials come from India or China. And THAT is backed up by data, not personal opinion.
#1668 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 04, 2010 (7:52 am)
Oh, I'm not in the slightest bit upset. Far from it.
It's just that in my many years in the tool business, I saw a lot of Chinese junk come to our shores. I watched jaws break on cheap Chinese vises and floor jacks blow their seals quickly. I saw the chrome peel on their wrenches and saw their brittle sockets break under load.
Having said that....
I am also open to the reality that things CAN change and that quailty CAN improve.
Korean cars are a good example of that.
You'll have to remember that I was in a business that dealt strictly with the pros who demand top quality tools that hold up. Thses guys won't even buy Craftsman tools for the most part.
Would I buy a Harbor Freight electric drill that I would probably use four times a year? You bet!
Would I get under a car supported by Chinese jack stands? Um...no.
And, no, I'm not upset that the Chinese bought Volvo. I doubt if they could make them any more troublesome than they already are.
BTW...I'm an old racer too only I perfered the Chevy small blocks!
#1669 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [isellhondas]
Aug 04, 2010 (8:37 am)
Intuitively, I think you are absolutely correct. It wouldn't be the first time that me as a lone wolf has a different opinion than a bunch of very qualified MEs who do this sort of stuff for a living.
What I think we can all agree on is the premise that moving as much air as possible over a radiator device is a good idea for the device dissipating heat into that radiator. That being said, the factory, I'm sure, designs their systems to take into account a wide variety of operating conditions and since they sell CR-Vs for people who live in the desert, that likley beats any situation that I have in the North East.
All I know is what I've seen empirically with my car and cars that I've been asked to look at. Moving the front plate out of the air path resulted in a subjective increase in AC productivity. This is a well know fact which, as I said, dates back at least to the introduction of high performance engines in the '60s. I'm left with speculation about the root cause of failure. I can't imagine that the compressor itself caused the problem because I found no shrapnel; the clutch failed It is entirely possible that the compressor problem and condenser problem occured simultaneously due to chance.
As I said, I over engineer my solutions. I added a 10" pusher and that proves my point. I am now content in my fantasy world of moving LOTS of air over the radiators.
I don't have much energy to argue whether my theory is correct or not. It's just a theory.
#1670 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [isellhondas]
Aug 04, 2010 (9:06 am)
Well, I can see that you're a pragmatist, which is what I appreciate. Your comment about Volvos proves that.
Right now, the ChiComs are kicking the crap out of the Indians as far as general low-cost/medium quality manufacturing capability goes. That won't last a hell of a lot longer b/c the cost of living is going up pretty quickly in the more sophisticated areas of the mainland. It's only a matter of time before the Indonesians come on line and then it will be South America.
To get back on topic, I feel bad for those of us who bought CR-Vs made in Great Britain b/c of the cost of parts. WHY would ANYONE buy a car made in Great Britain??? (that'll generate some hate mail, I'm sure). If I had a "G" car instead of a "J" car, my very first project would be to retrofit the front end with J car spec AC parts. It would probably look like hell but I'd just cover it up with the front fascia.
I can see from a number of the posts that these problems have scared off (or at least rattled) future Honda buyer. From what I've read, I don't see this as a major problem.
I've had some recent problems that caused me to spend a few bucks on the CR-V but I'm not that concerned. A rear caliper locked closed, grinding away the brake pad and I had the metal brake pad grinding into the brake disk. Never heard the brake tell tale kick in and the rear brake caliper/disk was HOT. Replaced that and brake usage seems to be as expected.
CR-Vs also have a bad reputation for ABS units and the dealer cost is beyond belief; it is staggering to say the least. My ABS master is making a "ticking" sound so I bought a used unit off of a "good" car and just have that sitting on the shelf for the time when I need it. Couldn't find a ChiCom replacement. I still think this is a great car for the price but will also look at the Koreans when we next go shopping. And probably Geely if they have a truckette in the line up by them.
I can't resist poking fun at the mechanics who will only work with certain brands of tools. Snap On is very good quality but I don't know that the price is justified over that of Craftsman or even Home Depot/Lowes' brand. Oh, I'm not against buying very high quality tools, I have a set of Hazet tools that I used when I worked as a mechanic. They're just tools.
It's not the tools, it's always been the guy/gal behind the tool.
As a post edit add, I'll try to repsond to your other questions. Clearly, in my opinion, Harbor Freight does not "sell junk" and their warranties are as good as anyone's out there. I even bought an 8" swing lathe from these guys and we're clearly not talking about high end here - there's a lot of lash that needs to be taken out before you do high quality work. BUT, it easily turned a true 4" diameter, 3 inch long extension for a crank pulley on the small block which drives my centrifugal supercharger. Plus I got a two year, no questions asked, return-whenever-I-want to warranty. I actually use this stuff rather than talking theory.
Also, based on my experience, you/anyone clearly DOES NOT get what they pay for when are serviced by a dealer. Yes, I know it takes money to cover overhead costs. Rather than ripping off Joe or Jane Doe, why doesn't the dealer just reduce overhead costs? Stop allowing the salespeople to drive home in dealer cars would be a REAL good place to start. Teaching sales people that dealer cars are to be driven with respect would be another good way to reduce overhead.
The concept of a flat rate book is archaic. If the manufacturers would stop this nonsense, then you could really encourage dealers to become competitive.
When you take your car to a dealer (or any shop for that matter but dealers are the most virulent with the practice), you pay top dollar for a mechanic, regardless of his/her quality. Makes sense, because they have so much overhead (see my points above). The quality of expertise is uneven but that doesn't affect the cost of the job. Sounds like a teacher's union to me. I went to a Honda dealer on Route 73 in South Jersey because my CR-V had THREE recalls to be fixed (honest to God, the fourth one was in my mailbox when I got home that night). They proudly displayed their service customer satisfaction rating - 69% for the top ranking. I understood why when I went to pick up my CR-V. Their AFSME certified mechanic neglected to attach the driver's side door panel when I went to take the car home. Musta' had a tough day.
As far as the difference in cost for compressors, I just checked again and I was wrong on the price. The cost is $179, not $199 as previoulsy stated. The rebuilt Honda compressors were ~$400. The reason why I didn't go with the rebuild is my experience with rebuilt water pumps and brake calipers - I just haven't had good luck with them and decided to go a new route. And as I noted previously, the Honda OTC price was beyond sanity. As it was, I HAD to buy a relay from Honda and that cost me $30!!!!!!! It has a proprietary pinout so I had no choice. OK, I'll but a local GENUINE HONDA part every 8 years or so. LOL!
#1671 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 04, 2010 (9:47 am)
I think that you and I are probably about the same age with similar backgrounds. We would probably get along quite well.
I think the reason you are so tuned into air flow is because, like me, you dealt with cars that ran so hot they were always on the edge. We had to watch our temp guages and if caught in a traffic jam, we had to switch off our A/C. When we had our radiators recored we usually "stepped up" and bought the heavy duty four row jobs. These made a BIG difference.
But at this point, when I walk into our local HF, I feel the tools and look at the quality. They sell both good and inferior stuff. I am not sold on the Chinese stuff but in the case of a seldom used tool, sure, I would buy it.
Funny, our 2003 CRV has never had a recall for anything. It is a "Japan" car.
I do have my brake fluid changed every two years to prevent my calipers form freezing up.
Hazet tools? Some old time German mechanics will use nothing but Hazet or Stalwille.