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Honda CR-V, Heating / Cooling, SUV
#1657 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [tapone1]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:20 pm)
Thanks for the follow-up. I can't say I've only bought Hondas, but my other primary vehicle is a 1997 Civic bought new in 1996. It has 275,000 miles and I just replaced the compressor (not the whole system) this summer. The only other costs have been routine maintenance. Before the Civic, I had a 1985 Prelude with 215,000 miles when I sold it, and the A/C still worked on that one too.
The problem with the CR-V A/C is that it has a history of failing prematurely, relative not only to other Honda vehicles, but to other brands as well. And that is what is so maddening about this repair expense.
#1658 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [old_red]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:15 pm)
ARRGHHH! I just posted a long response to old_red and my computer crashed. So I'll keep it short.
FWIW, I think you should skip the dealers and go to a good local shop that you trust AND is willing to work with you AND you're not real anxious to get the car back right away.
From what I've read, the problems tend to be "upfront" in the system rather than under the dash with the evaporator. All I know is what I read. The reason the dealers just replace everything is that they are certain that you won't come back and it's better to have a customer upset b/c of cost and a fixed car than a broken car that is bleeding a customer to death. It just makes sense.
Since you have to pull the front bumper to anything serious to the AC system, might as well pay your guy to pull that and check the easy stuff (after he checks the AC system with the procedure outlined by Honda which involves only the knobs in the center of the console.)
I assume that there are no leaks evident. If everything checks out OK, he first checks the compressor clutch by putting 12v directly to the clutch wire. If it does not engage, replace the pump. If the pump is bad, then it's easy to simply check the interior of the AC lines for bits of debris (if your compressor made a "noise" just before it died, then it loaded your AC system with shrapnel and you must replace everything back to the evaporator under the dash - $$$$$). My compressor just died so I was lucky. I'm not convinced that compressor explode as often as people say they do.
If the compressor looks OK inside and the lines look OK, then have him check the condenser in front of the radiator in the front. If that's clogged as mine was, then you luck out as I did. If not, spend $40 to replace the drier dessicant as a precaution.
I think it all comes down to whether you want to hang on to the car for as long a period of time as justifies your expenditure. A car with a non functioning AC has to worth a LOT less than otherwise. Tough call.
#1659 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [alana50]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:35 pm)
Yes any 8-9 year old vehicle is going to have problems and I would expect them but every 2 years the a/c failing starting in year 2 is unacceptable high miles or not.
#1660 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [isellhondas]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:38 pm)
You know, I thought about the quality of that ChiCom compressor when I was making my purchase. What I do know is that I have a Taiwanese made AC compressor that is branded as a Sanden. Sanden is one of the most popular aftermarket Japanese AC compressors for the hot rod crowd. I'm not married to Japanese quality but at least I've had experience with other countries of origin. My Sanden compressor has worked perfectly for over five years in my big block vette.
And let's say I'm wrong about the ChiCom unit and it fries in two years. If I still have the car and didn't grenade the compressor, then I buy another one and this time it takes me two hours to flip out the old for the new. Since I don't pay for labor, it just doesn't matter in this world of disposable items. You raise a good point about the cost of labor. I don't mind at all that someone makes a living but why do they have to make ALL of their boat payments off of just ME?
I suppose I'm rationalizing here and I risk going off topic but I recently learned that our refrigerator uses R134a as a refrigerant so that my tools will work on our SubZero. TALK ABOUT A rip off. I had no choice of fridges, this beast came with the house. The temp kept going up and I finally called the authorized repairman who replaced the condenser under warranty. I carefully watched him. His skill set consists of soldering and getting factory parts at cost. I scoped out his tools. He used a 25 micron vacuum pump (what I bought at Harbor Freight) PLUS he never recovered the old refrigerant. He used a mannometer wheras I use gauges. His refrigerant tank was labeled the same as that for the cars.
He charged me $300 for his travel time and refrigerant under warranty. He said the bill, out of warranty, is almost $2,000.
THAT was when I decided that I could fix a car AC system.
#1661 of 2218 Re: Here's where my saga ends... [isellhondas]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:39 pm)
My issue is that my crv is 7 years old and this is the 3rd time the a/c has gone out starting year 2 then year 4 and again this year. There is obviously an issue with the components for the a/c not the age of the vehile or the miles.
#1662 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:49 pm)
Thanks for the good info Vinnie. I wish I had seen the long version. I have checked with several independent shops, and the consensus is about $1,500 for a compressor, condenser and expansion valve. I don't think that is going to do it because I heard a terrible metallic grinding noise just before losing cold air. I had just started the vehicle in the driveway when it happened. So I'm assuming the shrapnel scenario.
Based on your earlier post, I've even considered doing this job myself. I've done a fair amount of mechanic'ing on my '66 Mustang, but a 2003 Honda is a whole other animal. I had planned to keep the CR-V indefinitely, but after this, I don't know.
#1663 of 2218 Re: AC is a luxery not a necessity [stevedebi]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Aug 03, 2010 (3:11 pm)
To be clear... mine did not turn off the light or the compressor..
When "defrost" is selected, both the light and the compressor still come on... BUT, when I then push the button, the light and the compressor both go off...
I guess my point is.... the light still indicates whether the compressor is running, or not... The compressor isn't running, when the light is off...
At least, I don't think so.... I traded that car in, two years ago...
#1664 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 03, 2010 (3:46 pm)
Boy, I don't know...all of that labor and you put on a chinese made compressor?
I just haven't heard any good reports but maybe things have improved quality wise.
Harbor Freight sells junk and they sell some things that wold probably work perfectly well for once in awhile home use.
I know the pros won't touch their stuff.
What would the price difference have been between the chinese pump and a quality (?) rebuilt one?
Labor rates are nuts now but so are overhead charges, the wages it takes to attract quality people and thxes and insurance.
The shops aren't really getting rich.
#1665 of 2218 CR-V a/c compressor issue and serpentine belt
Aug 03, 2010 (5:35 pm)
My 02 CR-V's ( 102,000 miles) a/c stopped working a few weeks ago, I thought I just needed a freon refill as I do not remember any loud noises, just a hiss and no more cold air, then this weekend I started having trouble keeping my car from stalling out when I was in idle, I also noticed a burning rubber smell, no warning lights came home, I managed to get home and when I opened the hood I was surprised to see the serpentine belt broken right in half. I took it in today and was told the clutch and pulley on the a/c compressor was broken and that caused the serpentine belt to break and he was unable to fix it and suggested a radiator and a/c specialist that quoted me 950 to fix it. My dad is helping me out and having his mechanic look at it to see what can be done, I can live without a/c in my car but it's my impression that this issue is bigger for most people than just having a/c or not, am I right or could there be something else wrong with my car? Thanks!
#1666 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [zgreat1]
Aug 03, 2010 (5:45 pm)
Have you heard back from NHTSA? I am on my 3rd ac unit and Honda is not willing to do anything due to high miles on the car. I travel for my job and need a dependable car with AC which is why I bought the Honda.