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Honda CR-V, Heating / Cooling, SUV
#1654 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [old_red]
Aug 03, 2010 (1:15 pm)
While I did/will be getting assistance, I am the guy with the 116K mile CRV, I still question the amount of the assistance: Are they doing a complete a/c replace worth $3K, or a less fix that in the end, only cuts me a deal on the parts? Not sure as I was just given a "cap" for my out of pocket, which I was satisified with (otherwise I would be driving a new car today). In any event, we have bought nothing but honda's since 1996 with the most recent being a 2008 Pilot. We also had issues with our 2000 Ody, so alot may have to do with the customer and past buying history...I realize it shouldn't be that way, but suspect it does have something to do with it. Parts are in on Wednesday and its going in Thursday.
#1655 of 2218 Re: AC is a luxery not a necessity [kyfdx]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:01 pm)
"Really? On my '02, it turned off the light and the compressor.... Did you close your eyes and click your heels together, three times?"
Are you manually turning off the compressor?
Take a look at the post following the instructions you linked:
"One thing I might add.. after disabling the function, the A/C will still come on, each time you turn it to the defrost setting.. The difference will be: you can turn the A/C off by pushing the A/C button. Something you couldn't do before. "
#1656 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [meliharper]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:05 pm)
"One more laugh, my sister just bought a used '01 Honda CRV, I'm praying that '01 was a better year. "
Some of the late year 2001 models picked up the problem. My father in law had his compressor go out about 3 years ago - he has a 2001.
#1657 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [tapone1]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:20 pm)
Thanks for the follow-up. I can't say I've only bought Hondas, but my other primary vehicle is a 1997 Civic bought new in 1996. It has 275,000 miles and I just replaced the compressor (not the whole system) this summer. The only other costs have been routine maintenance. Before the Civic, I had a 1985 Prelude with 215,000 miles when I sold it, and the A/C still worked on that one too.
The problem with the CR-V A/C is that it has a history of failing prematurely, relative not only to other Honda vehicles, but to other brands as well. And that is what is so maddening about this repair expense.
#1658 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [old_red]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:15 pm)
ARRGHHH! I just posted a long response to old_red and my computer crashed. So I'll keep it short.
FWIW, I think you should skip the dealers and go to a good local shop that you trust AND is willing to work with you AND you're not real anxious to get the car back right away.
From what I've read, the problems tend to be "upfront" in the system rather than under the dash with the evaporator. All I know is what I read. The reason the dealers just replace everything is that they are certain that you won't come back and it's better to have a customer upset b/c of cost and a fixed car than a broken car that is bleeding a customer to death. It just makes sense.
Since you have to pull the front bumper to anything serious to the AC system, might as well pay your guy to pull that and check the easy stuff (after he checks the AC system with the procedure outlined by Honda which involves only the knobs in the center of the console.)
I assume that there are no leaks evident. If everything checks out OK, he first checks the compressor clutch by putting 12v directly to the clutch wire. If it does not engage, replace the pump. If the pump is bad, then it's easy to simply check the interior of the AC lines for bits of debris (if your compressor made a "noise" just before it died, then it loaded your AC system with shrapnel and you must replace everything back to the evaporator under the dash - $$$$$). My compressor just died so I was lucky. I'm not convinced that compressor explode as often as people say they do.
If the compressor looks OK inside and the lines look OK, then have him check the condenser in front of the radiator in the front. If that's clogged as mine was, then you luck out as I did. If not, spend $40 to replace the drier dessicant as a precaution.
I think it all comes down to whether you want to hang on to the car for as long a period of time as justifies your expenditure. A car with a non functioning AC has to worth a LOT less than otherwise. Tough call.
#1659 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [alana50]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:35 pm)
Yes any 8-9 year old vehicle is going to have problems and I would expect them but every 2 years the a/c failing starting in year 2 is unacceptable high miles or not.
#1660 of 2218 Re: Let's press American Honda to not pull a BP on us!! [isellhondas]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:38 pm)
You know, I thought about the quality of that ChiCom compressor when I was making my purchase. What I do know is that I have a Taiwanese made AC compressor that is branded as a Sanden. Sanden is one of the most popular aftermarket Japanese AC compressors for the hot rod crowd. I'm not married to Japanese quality but at least I've had experience with other countries of origin. My Sanden compressor has worked perfectly for over five years in my big block vette.
And let's say I'm wrong about the ChiCom unit and it fries in two years. If I still have the car and didn't grenade the compressor, then I buy another one and this time it takes me two hours to flip out the old for the new. Since I don't pay for labor, it just doesn't matter in this world of disposable items. You raise a good point about the cost of labor. I don't mind at all that someone makes a living but why do they have to make ALL of their boat payments off of just ME?
I suppose I'm rationalizing here and I risk going off topic but I recently learned that our refrigerator uses R134a as a refrigerant so that my tools will work on our SubZero. TALK ABOUT A rip off. I had no choice of fridges, this beast came with the house. The temp kept going up and I finally called the authorized repairman who replaced the condenser under warranty. I carefully watched him. His skill set consists of soldering and getting factory parts at cost. I scoped out his tools. He used a 25 micron vacuum pump (what I bought at Harbor Freight) PLUS he never recovered the old refrigerant. He used a mannometer wheras I use gauges. His refrigerant tank was labeled the same as that for the cars.
He charged me $300 for his travel time and refrigerant under warranty. He said the bill, out of warranty, is almost $2,000.
THAT was when I decided that I could fix a car AC system.
#1661 of 2218 Re: Here's where my saga ends... [isellhondas]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:39 pm)
My issue is that my crv is 7 years old and this is the 3rd time the a/c has gone out starting year 2 then year 4 and again this year. There is obviously an issue with the components for the a/c not the age of the vehile or the miles.
#1662 of 2218 Re: Another CR-V A/C casualty [vinnie_the_kid]
Aug 03, 2010 (2:49 pm)
Thanks for the good info Vinnie. I wish I had seen the long version. I have checked with several independent shops, and the consensus is about $1,500 for a compressor, condenser and expansion valve. I don't think that is going to do it because I heard a terrible metallic grinding noise just before losing cold air. I had just started the vehicle in the driveway when it happened. So I'm assuming the shrapnel scenario.
Based on your earlier post, I've even considered doing this job myself. I've done a fair amount of mechanic'ing on my '66 Mustang, but a 2003 Honda is a whole other animal. I had planned to keep the CR-V indefinitely, but after this, I don't know.
#1663 of 2218 Re: AC is a luxery not a necessity [stevedebi]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Aug 03, 2010 (3:11 pm)
To be clear... mine did not turn off the light or the compressor..
When "defrost" is selected, both the light and the compressor still come on... BUT, when I then push the button, the light and the compressor both go off...
I guess my point is.... the light still indicates whether the compressor is running, or not... The compressor isn't running, when the light is off...
At least, I don't think so.... I traded that car in, two years ago...