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#1106 of 2218 My compressor went out TOO!!
May 26, 2009 (2:35 pm)
My compressor went out in my 2003 CR-V on Sunday, May 24,2009, my parents 50th wedding anniversary, going to the house from church in Alabama.(the humidity was in full effect) There was a noise then there was hot air coming from the A/C. My daddy check it out took it to a few places came back said it was the compressor. Needless to say this made for a long long trip back to North Carolina on Monday.
I took my truck to my go-to-guy and he expressed that it was in fact my compressor. $1800 to repair ...did not want to hear that considering that I am not working due to my position being eliminated back in February. Fun!! Fun!!
I only wished that I had found this forum before I purchased my truck but over all it has been great and it has 83,000 miles. Go figure complaints on the compressor. I wanted a truck and it was a Honda figured it was for me. This is my second Honda...I previously had an Accord EX Coupe put close to 160,000 ...therefore getting another Honda was not even a question.
It would seem that Honda would have a recall to offer some relief to its customers who come back and even those who may say they will never go back. I realize that times are ruff but we ALL are experiencing it therefore Honda should help those who whether covered under warrantee or not when they see that there is an apparent problem with the compressors in the 2001-2005 CR-V's. It is sad when a dealership keep the compressors in stock waiting on that next CR-V to pull in for the repair service.
American Honda you need to do better for your loyal Honda car owners.
#1107 of 2218 2003 CR-V A/C Died Today (May 26, 2009)
May 26, 2009 (5:07 pm)
Thanks for all the posts on this topic.
Our A/C died while driving across N AZ this afternoon (2003 CR-V, 78,000 mi). We heard some odd sounds we thought were the wind 60 or so miles earlier in NMex, but I suspect now it was the prelude to failure. At failure we heard a sort of hiss then a loud clunk, like a rock hitting the bottom of the car. We pulled over, looked and saw nothing -- so we drove on. Perhaps 5 min later we noticed no cool air.
Plan A was to stop in Flagstaff in the morning and have them diagnose the problem. But given the car is otherwise normal -- and I don't want to do a major repair very far from home (home is Torrance, CA and I do know folks at American Honda Motors) we will likely blow off the Flagstaff stop and trudge our way across the Mojave desert at night (since it is now 100 deg in the afternoon).
But Plan B does include checking to see if a belt has gone south: Seems unlikely, after reading about this problem here.
#1108 of 2218 Re: 2003 CR-V A/C Died Today (May 26, 2009) [w7ox]
May 26, 2009 (5:31 pm)
No belts missing so far as I can see. But both fans are still (though warmed up temp gauge is at about 40% as always).
Sounds like the compressor has gone.
#1109 of 2218 Re: My compressor went out TOO!! [bajones08]
May 27, 2009 (9:53 am)
Sorry yours went out. Was the 1,800.00 from the local guy just for replacing the compressor or was it for more work? The reason I ask, is I have already asked my guy that works on my 2003 CRV (87,000 miles)and he estimated 1,100.00 for the compressor only with labor. BTW, he sees about 3 CRV's each summer for compressor replacements, but he has not seen one yet that exploded, causing major damage. You may want to try to open a case with Honda, but from what I can tell, they are rejecting a lot of folks lately.
My take on this is I do not mind paying for a new compressor, but if the compressor indeed does explode causing more damage, then I do not feel that we should have to pay for the damage done by an exploding compressor.
#1110 of 2218 Another possible cause
May 27, 2009 (11:25 am)
As the warmer weather finally arrived into Buffalo, I had to use the A/C, and noticed that it was not as "cold" as before. Temprature out of the "face" vent was about 45-50°F instead of 38°F, as per the shop manual.
I checked the "low" side while the compressor was running, and it was at 18 psi. I added some PAG oil and R134 with dye up to 25 psi. The thermocouple now reads 38°F before compressor cycles off. The pressure gauge reads about 45 psi on the "low" side when compressor is off.
It is possible that failures have been caused by the lack of lubrication, either from the owners not "excercising" their systems during winter, or because some of the oil has leaked out. Compressors don't just explode, there has to be an underlying cause. Lack of lubrication is my first suspect.
#1111 of 2218 Re: Another possible cause [blueiedgod]
May 27, 2009 (1:03 pm)
Except in your case, your AC system was working at both temperatures, but not as well before adding lubrication. Very few of the cases described here complained about less cold air from a functioning AC compressor. The idea that enough oil would leak out due to negligence from the owner to cause the implosion of the compressor is not parsimonious given how these units operate in most cars. If this were true, other makes, models, and years would suffer a similar AC failure rate. The majority of owners are told that the AC compressor was punctured in some way- I don't think that's in doubt. The questions are A) is honda responsible for the puncture due to the placement of the compressor and B) could the compressor have been designed to handle a loss of compression more gracefully than to take the rest of the AC system with it. Given the changes made to the CR-V in the '06 model years and further, that evidence at least supports (but does not prove) the hypothesis that engineering contributed to the problem.
Even your own data suggests that AC failures are elevated in the '02 to '05 CRV models made in Japan. Would you suggest that Honda managed to attract particularly negligent owners for just those years of just that model? Or was fate unkind to Honda and randomly distributed a greater percentage of bum owners to them right then?
Your continuing effort to blame the owner is not supported by the data.
#1113 of 2218 Re: My compressor went out TOO!! [bajones08]
May 29, 2009 (8:13 am)
Sure agree with "American Honda you need to do better for your loyal Honda car owners."
I've driven nothing but Hondas since 1985 (Accord, CR-X, Civic and CR-V). All but the CR-V have gone at least 125K miles with no A/C issues in any; The CR-V A/C failed at 78K miles.
Now at home, so Monday I'll take it to my local dealer and see what they come up with. Whatever it is, I'll have to get it fixed: In my 70s and can't do desert driving as I need to without A/C with Summer coming. If the repair is too costly, I'll get it done and buy a Toyota or some other non-Honda as my next car.
#1114 of 2218 Re: Another possible cause [jpettibone]
May 29, 2009 (8:52 am)
Whenever I am looking at incidents, my first suspect is the human. In most cases it is the only variable in the equation.
If the failures were as wide spread, then all of the compressors from 02-04 model years made in Japan would have failed. But, they have not. The big variable is the operator.
Does a layman feel a difference in temprature between 38.6°F and 44°F. chances are they don't. They keep running their A/C, which never cycle off, because they never reach the 38.6°F threshold. That could be another contributing factor. Continuous compressor use, as opposed to cycling on and off.
Unlike domestics, and other manufacturers, which use variable displacement compressors to moderate the A/C cooling, Honda uses simple On/Off design, which is less expensive and simple.
If anyone with a failure can post whether they felt the compressor cycle on and off prior to failure, then it will blow my theory out of the water. But, chances are, they did not even notice that the compressor was cycling when it WAS fully functional. Let alone them asking "why hasn't the compressor cycled off today?"
We don't have enough information to even conclude that 05-06 redesign is failure proof. I have an 05, and I lost some refrigerant. I have an 88 Prelude that is still on the original factory fill of R-12.
It may also not be a function of miles, but time, and there has not been enough time to see if 05-06 or 07-09 designs are any better.
#1115 of 2218 Re: Another possible cause [blueiedgod]
May 30, 2009 (8:52 pm)
Here we go again...
"If the failures were as wide spread, then all of the compressors from 02-04 model years made in Japan would have failed. But, they have not. The big variable is the operator. "
This is simply faulty reasoning. To expect that only a 100% failure rate would indicate a factory problem is excessive. I expect there is some luck involved here, since road damage seems to play a role. Most people are lucky enough to not incur the damage that leads to the catastrophic failure of the part. That the system is exposed to such damage in the first place is part of the problem.
"Does a layman feel a difference in temprature between 38.6°F and 44°F. chances are they don't. They keep running their A/C, which never cycle off, because they never reach the 38.6°F threshold. That could be another contributing factor. Continuous compressor use, as opposed to cycling on and off. "
Again, this is something that could happen to any make or model, and would lead to a similar failure rate in other cars. Unless you are suggesting that Honda AC compressors are worse at keeping temperature than others? If you are, that's not a user induced factor. Also, I'm pretty sure that after 5 years of service at the dealer, they would have told me if there was oil leaking from the compressor. They've never had a problem in the past pointing out things that I was unaware of.
"If anyone with a failure can post whether they felt the compressor cycle on and off prior to failure, then it will blow my theory out of the water. But, chances are, they did not even notice that the compressor was cycling when it WAS fully functional. Let alone them asking "why hasn't the compressor cycled off today?" "
Yes, with the CR/V, I could always feel the compressor cycle on and off. The engine power was just enough without AC, and took a decent hit with it on. It would struggle up hills with the AC on, so I would frequently turn it off in some places (blame a child of the 80's who grew up with chevettes). I felt mine cycle on and off earlier in the day that it died, and turned it off shortly afterwards. In all honesty, my wife claimed not to notice the difference, but she also thinks SD is just as good as HD.
"It may also not be a function of miles, but time, and there has not been enough time to see if 05-06 or 07-09 designs are any better. "
I agree with this, to some extent. But there IS evidence that both the location and the part have changed for the AC compressor from 05 on- you can't deny that. The evidence that it has helped is right here on this board. There are few to no '06 or greater owners claiming problems, where you can see that with the previous model, there were many examples of compressor failure around 30 to 50k and within the first three years.
I really don't think this is a wear issue- it's a luck issue, quite frankly, in that the engineering is just good enough to keep this from being a more widespread issue, but the tolerances are much smaller than are typical for Honda.
"Whenever I am looking at incidents, my first suspect is the human. In most cases it is the only variable in the equation. "
This is actually the root of your argument, that bad things don't happen to good people. This is possibly the most fundamentally flawed of all of them. It is for this reason that you are unlikely to accept any evidence to the contrary. I'm not claiming that people don't do stupid things to their belongings, and I'm not denying that human error is a major variable. But to say that in many cases it is the ONLY variable? Hondas are very reliable cars, in most cases. This is one (maybe the only) case in which it is not true. But you can't simply use "human error" and "hondas are reliable" as your argument, because it is circular.