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#7 of 75 Re: Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest [vic10] by bremertong Jun 20, 2006 (8:39 pm)
Replying to: vic10 (Jun 20, 2006 7:06 am) My first Deville was a 1998 in Gold fire mist, it turned heads all the time. My 2004 Deville is in light bronze mist and doesn't stand out nearly as much as the 98. Gold is again available in the 2006 Deville in a non fire mist finish, not quite as impressive as the 98 but very attractive.   Have you had any problems with your 300C since purchase? Has the Chrysler dealership treated you as you expected when you made your purchase? The performance stats in the 300C suggest a faster car than the 2006 DTS, is that your experience or is the difference more statistical than practical in on the road performance? Replies to this message: vic10 (Jun 21, 2006 5:51 am)
#8 of 75 Re: bremer [marsha7] by bremertong Jun 20, 2006 (8:45 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jun 18, 2006 6:05 pm) Appreciated your bringing the larger 300C to my attention, looked at some photos at the web site and will follow with much interest, many thanks!
#9 of 75 Re: Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest [bremertong] by vic10 Jun 21, 2006 (5:51 am)
Replying to: bremertong (Jun 20, 2006 8:39 pm) I have only had minor glitches: Twice the radio volume control went inop (last time was about a year ago) but was fine the next day. Twice I lost the express-up window feature (very easy to re-program per the manual). I've a rear passenger window that will not go down on a hot day (but ALWAYS works the day it's gone to the dealer). And I had a transmission fluid leak due to a faulty seal. There have been lots of complaints about pulling to the right but I think most of them were provoked by an overly zealous dealer: The car is very crown sensitive and I think dealers were "re-aligning out" that tendency, causing all sorts of handling and tire wear problems. I accept the crown "pull" as normal and have had no handling or tire wear issues--though the Continentals look like they won't last much beyond 25K miles.   I bought the car under a re-patriation program (I was working overseas) and drop shipped to a dealer at my current location (Tulsa). Dealer performance has been exceptional.   Having only test driven the DTS, comparing performance would be difficult. I don't think you'd see a difference in normal driving. But with aggressive driving, the 300C is positively brutish. It still gives me a rush. My secretary commented one day that obviously the biggest problem with the car is overshoot: If you stomp on it to merge with traffic you suddenly find yourself doing 85 and in the trunk of the guy in front of you. I consider the car a practical and comfortable solution to a mid-age crisis (vs a Corvette or GTO).   Honestly, if some one were to give me $50K to buy a new car, if anything, I'd buy another 300C (or go REALLY crazy and get the SRT)
#10 of 75 Cars with Northstar Engines by stevenw Jun 30, 2006 (11:54 am)
Many people don't keep their cars long enough to know about this but a common problem on any car with the Northstar engine with +50,000 miles is a leaky oil pan gasket. No problem you say, just pull the pan and replace the gasket. Nope. ENGINE has to be pulled out of the car to do this because the bolts that hold the oil pan on extend down through the top of the engine and cannot be accessed to drop the oil pan unless the engine is hoisted. This costs about $2,000 for the cost of a $1.50 gasket. Olds Auroras had a version of the 4.0 Northstar although they couldn't call it that since it wasn't a Caddy - same issue. I know, I own one.   Something to keep in mind before you buy a Cadillac with a Northstar. Replies to this message: bremertong (Jun 30, 2006 7:37 pm) jerrymcshane1 (Jul 01, 2006 11:14 am) ricktherealtor (Jun 24, 2007 3:11 pm) sls002 (Jun 26, 2007 6:10 am) sls002 (Jul 04, 2006 6:25 am) rrosell (Mar 15, 2009 4:35 pm)
#11 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by bremertong Jun 30, 2006 (7:37 pm)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) I own a 2004 Deville with 32500 miles on it. At about 27,000 miles it started leaking oil and a local dealership changed the oil filter adapter gasket. On my next oil change a considerable amount of oil was found on the underpart of the engine and the first dealership said it would need the type of repair you describe. On advice of GM I took the car to a second dealership and upon inspection they said that the oil observed was from the oil adapter gasket leak and that there was no further leak observed. I have kept an oil pan under the car for several months now to monitor any additional leaks and none so far. Can you tell me what I should be looking for other than drops of oil in the oil pan lined with white paper towels as an indication that my car may develop this problem later?
#12 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by jerrymcshane1 Jul 01, 2006 (11:14 am)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) Where did you get this info? GM tested the Northstar drive train for 3 years and MILLIONS of hard driven miles BEFORE this engine was available to the general public. Do NOT work for nor affiliated with GM in any way/shape/form/ but have owned Cadillacs with this system in it for years now. NEVER have heard/experienced this problem. Replies to this message: ricktherealtor (Jun 24, 2007 3:11 pm) sls002 (Jun 26, 2007 6:10 am)
#13 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by sls002 Jul 04, 2006 (6:25 am)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) The northstar and Aurora engines built for model years 1993-1999 are first generation engines. The model year 2000 on are second generation northstar engines with a redesigned engine. So the problems with the first generation may not apply to the second generation. But to work on the engine or transmission does require that the engine/transmission be taken out of the car, an all day job to remove and put back in.
#14 of 75 Re: Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest [vic10] by mzmoniquerenee Jul 04, 2006 (4:05 pm)
Replying to: vic10 (Jun 20, 2006 7:06 am) I have always loved the Deville since it was a little girl. However, for my first ride I chose the 2006 300 Limited with the Touring Package. I have every except HEMI. This baby delivers a smooth ride and handles road with unbridled passion. We turn heads everywhere we go. I no longer pull up to the crosswalk when stopped at a traffic light. Simply because when the light turns green and I tap the gas. Out my rear view everyone else is kissing my AZZ! While there are not many folks who ride in the back seat – On occasion during business lunches my piers will ride with me because those punks are into two seaters; however, someone always falls asleep. My baby is Brilliant Silver Metallic and I keep her sparkling. When I wash this baby, taking my time and feeling her contours of distinction; we’ve been in a relationship since Valentines Day and I am still excited. For me, my car is a dude magnet. I’m looking at the new Jag but I am a sedan type of woman and not ready for such a drastic change.   Long live the 300…
#15 of 75 A hard choice... by blkhemi Jul 16, 2006 (12:27 pm)
Me being a Mopar fanatic, it was a hard choice for us when it came time to start looking for a replacement for our '03 DeVille DTS. So we tested all cars in it's class, including the Chrysler.   First things first: If you can get over the expanse of hard plastics and ill-fitting panels of the 300, then the cars performance will literally blow you away. The 5.7L HEMI, while not quite as polished or sophisticated as the Northstar, is positively radiant. And it is quicker than the Northstar, albeit because of 340-hp v. 292 and the DTS's higher weight-to-power ratio.   However, for true luxury, the DTS is hands down a better car. The price disparity between the two cars is not so bad when you factor in what the DTS offers as standard equipment vs. optional on the 300...   I'm in no way downgrading the 300 as I think it's the car that Chrysler should've done instead of the 99-04 300M. The car has an uncanny ability to remain popular with people 18-88. Oh and the 300 SRT.... WOW. But my wife chose the DTS Performance for it's unparallel highway ride, upscale interior, magnificent build quality/sturdy structure(altho the 300's Mercedes inspired structure is as stiff as they come). Factor in the Northstar V8, Stabilitrak, and 18" wheels, and you've got one heck of a fun if not too sporty large sedan...   As to me sticking to my Mopar roots, we opted to get a JGC SRT instead... Replies to this message: sls002 (Jul 17, 2006 7:51 am) blkhemi (Jul 17, 2006 5:55 pm) sls002 (Jul 18, 2006 6:37 am) and 6 more...
#16 of 75 FUEL PRICES AND THESE TWO CARS by bremertong Jul 16, 2006 (9:57 pm)
Are fuel prices affecting buyers decisions on which of these two cars to purchase? The DTS having a slightly smaller engine may get a little better fuel economy than the the 300C although think they are pretty much the same. Are rising fuel prices affecting the choice to buy both cars? In my case I decided not to make it a factor buy purchasing a oil income pass through trust about seven months ago. Has proved to be a good educated guess. The investment has appreciated 30 percent and the yield on the royalty payments at the price I paid for the shares is around 12 percent and rising as oil prices rise. Have others considered fuel price hedge strategies?

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