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#4 of 75 DTS vs 300c by lanzz Jun 19, 2006 (6:01 am)
Well... I have an '06 DTS Performance, and I looked hard at the 300c AWD. The 300c is VERY fast, and the performance is far better than the DTS. That said, the interior is very plasticky, and was not nearly luxurious enough for me. Also, in my area, Chrysler dealers are not known for stellar service after the sale, which was a big concern of mine.   In the end, I opted for the DTS, I had access to the GM discount, which negated the price difference to a large extent.   I have a lot of respect for the Hemi-powered Chryslers - when they come out with a more premium model that sports a Hemi, the decision will be a lot harder. Replies to this message: mzmoniquerenee (Jul 22, 2006 10:28 am)
#5 of 75 VERY HAPPY THIS FORUM WAS STARTED by bremertong Jun 19, 2006 (9:24 pm)
Both the DTS and 300C are great cars and hope this forum will help those of us trying to decide. I have had good results with both Chrysler and Cadillac, perhaps I should consider owning one of both. I currently own two cars, my second is a 2005 Mercury Sable LS with just 2500 miles on it. Of course the Mercury is not comparable to either the 300C or Cadillac but it was bought with less than 1700 miles on it just three months ago and at a price of less than $14,000. It is great value as it came with wood and leather steering wheel, mach3 sound system, CD changer,Duratec v6 engine and leather seats.
#6 of 75 Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest by vic10 Jun 20, 2006 (7:06 am)
The DTS is more of a luxury car. The interior is more plush. But the exterior is boring (the last good looking Caddy IMO was 1998). The 300C has more of an industrial interior--maybe the Daimler influence--though it is very comfortable. But the exterior, I think, is a knockout. And the image is more of a brute than a dandy. Looks aside, it was the Hemi that caused me to buy my 2005 300C and haven't looked back since--except to see all those I leave in the dust (and still average 20mpg). I would like a bit softer suspension and a tad more quiet interior (at highway speeds), and I find the front end to be rather sensitive to road irregularities. The DTS would give me those, though somehow I think I'd be sacrificing a certain amount of fun. Also have to note that, even with a 2 year old body style, the car still gets a lot of attention.   Not sure that helps anyone. I'm pleased. Caddy needs to change styling direction in order to get my interest in the future. Would love to see a sharp Coupe deVille.... Replies to this message: bremertong (Jun 20, 2006 8:39 pm) vic10 (Jun 21, 2006 5:51 am) mzmoniquerenee (Jul 04, 2006 4:05 pm)
#7 of 75 Re: Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest [vic10] by bremertong Jun 20, 2006 (8:39 pm)
Replying to: vic10 (Jun 20, 2006 7:06 am) My first Deville was a 1998 in Gold fire mist, it turned heads all the time. My 2004 Deville is in light bronze mist and doesn't stand out nearly as much as the 98. Gold is again available in the 2006 Deville in a non fire mist finish, not quite as impressive as the 98 but very attractive.   Have you had any problems with your 300C since purchase? Has the Chrysler dealership treated you as you expected when you made your purchase? The performance stats in the 300C suggest a faster car than the 2006 DTS, is that your experience or is the difference more statistical than practical in on the road performance? Replies to this message: vic10 (Jun 21, 2006 5:51 am)
#8 of 75 Re: bremer [marsha7] by bremertong Jun 20, 2006 (8:45 pm)
Replying to: marsha7 (Jun 18, 2006 6:05 pm) Appreciated your bringing the larger 300C to my attention, looked at some photos at the web site and will follow with much interest, many thanks!
#9 of 75 Re: Will Watch this Forum with Great Interest [bremertong] by vic10 Jun 21, 2006 (5:51 am)
Replying to: bremertong (Jun 20, 2006 8:39 pm) I have only had minor glitches: Twice the radio volume control went inop (last time was about a year ago) but was fine the next day. Twice I lost the express-up window feature (very easy to re-program per the manual). I've a rear passenger window that will not go down on a hot day (but ALWAYS works the day it's gone to the dealer). And I had a transmission fluid leak due to a faulty seal. There have been lots of complaints about pulling to the right but I think most of them were provoked by an overly zealous dealer: The car is very crown sensitive and I think dealers were "re-aligning out" that tendency, causing all sorts of handling and tire wear problems. I accept the crown "pull" as normal and have had no handling or tire wear issues--though the Continentals look like they won't last much beyond 25K miles.   I bought the car under a re-patriation program (I was working overseas) and drop shipped to a dealer at my current location (Tulsa). Dealer performance has been exceptional.   Having only test driven the DTS, comparing performance would be difficult. I don't think you'd see a difference in normal driving. But with aggressive driving, the 300C is positively brutish. It still gives me a rush. My secretary commented one day that obviously the biggest problem with the car is overshoot: If you stomp on it to merge with traffic you suddenly find yourself doing 85 and in the trunk of the guy in front of you. I consider the car a practical and comfortable solution to a mid-age crisis (vs a Corvette or GTO).   Honestly, if some one were to give me $50K to buy a new car, if anything, I'd buy another 300C (or go REALLY crazy and get the SRT)
#10 of 75 Cars with Northstar Engines by stevenw Jun 30, 2006 (11:54 am)
Many people don't keep their cars long enough to know about this but a common problem on any car with the Northstar engine with +50,000 miles is a leaky oil pan gasket. No problem you say, just pull the pan and replace the gasket. Nope. ENGINE has to be pulled out of the car to do this because the bolts that hold the oil pan on extend down through the top of the engine and cannot be accessed to drop the oil pan unless the engine is hoisted. This costs about $2,000 for the cost of a $1.50 gasket. Olds Auroras had a version of the 4.0 Northstar although they couldn't call it that since it wasn't a Caddy - same issue. I know, I own one.   Something to keep in mind before you buy a Cadillac with a Northstar. Replies to this message: bremertong (Jun 30, 2006 7:37 pm) jerrymcshane1 (Jul 01, 2006 11:14 am) ricktherealtor (Jun 24, 2007 3:11 pm) sls002 (Jun 26, 2007 6:10 am) sls002 (Jul 04, 2006 6:25 am) rrosell (Mar 15, 2009 4:35 pm)
#11 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by bremertong Jun 30, 2006 (7:37 pm)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) I own a 2004 Deville with 32500 miles on it. At about 27,000 miles it started leaking oil and a local dealership changed the oil filter adapter gasket. On my next oil change a considerable amount of oil was found on the underpart of the engine and the first dealership said it would need the type of repair you describe. On advice of GM I took the car to a second dealership and upon inspection they said that the oil observed was from the oil adapter gasket leak and that there was no further leak observed. I have kept an oil pan under the car for several months now to monitor any additional leaks and none so far. Can you tell me what I should be looking for other than drops of oil in the oil pan lined with white paper towels as an indication that my car may develop this problem later?
#12 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by jerrymcshane1 Jul 01, 2006 (11:14 am)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) Where did you get this info? GM tested the Northstar drive train for 3 years and MILLIONS of hard driven miles BEFORE this engine was available to the general public. Do NOT work for nor affiliated with GM in any way/shape/form/ but have owned Cadillacs with this system in it for years now. NEVER have heard/experienced this problem. Replies to this message: ricktherealtor (Jun 24, 2007 3:11 pm) sls002 (Jun 26, 2007 6:10 am)
#13 of 75 Re: Cars with Northstar Engines [stevenw] by sls002 Jul 04, 2006 (6:25 am)
Replying to: stevenw (Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am) The northstar and Aurora engines built for model years 1993-1999 are first generation engines. The model year 2000 on are second generation northstar engines with a redesigned engine. So the problems with the first generation may not apply to the second generation. But to work on the engine or transmission does require that the engine/transmission be taken out of the car, an all day job to remove and put back in.

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