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Cadillac DTS/STS vs. Chrysler 300/300C

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac DTS, Chrysler 300C SRT-8, Chrysler 300, Cadillac STS, Chrysler, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: A hard choice... [sls002] by blkhemi
Jul 21, 2006 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 19, 2006 6:26 am)

I agree with most of your post, albeit don't you think that it's a bit more than a coincedence that GM and Ford trucks and SUV's are going 6-speed auto at the same time. Although the part numbers are different(not how DCX does as Chrysler keeps MBZ numbers), Aisin-Warner designed the 3 different housings for the transmissions....
 
"The Town Car and the Lexus LS are totally different cars in completely different price ranges. The DTS is somewhere in between the two."
 
That's very interesting as all of this time I've always thought the TC to be the DeVille/DTS' main comp, especially considering domestic makes. And $44k(Lincoln) v. $42k base for the DTS is not that huge of a disparity. And factor in that a fully optioned DTS can run upward of $56k, exactly where the LS starts.
 
But you're right. The DTS can and will maintain or better it's 80k units annually. And rightfully so as this one of the most comfortable rides on the market right now, Asian, European and definetely domestic.
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Re: A hard choice... [blkhemi] by sls002
Jul 22, 2006 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 21, 2006 3:06 pm)

I had not looked at the Town Car pricing, so had thought it was cheaper. Still, I think that the Lexus LS is more car than a loaded DeVille. I am not sure how the Town Car compares.
 
The press releases on the six speed automatic that both Ford and GM worked on together is a FWD transmission. Nothing was said about a RWD transmission in those press releases. Looking at the Ford truck/SUV transmissions for 2006, there are only 4 speed units available. GM is using the car six speed in their SUV's. The FWD six speed has different gear ratios than the RWD, so I do not think that they are the same transmission.
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Re: DTS vs 300c [lanzz] by mzmoniquerenee
Jul 22, 2006 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: lanzz (Jun 19, 2006 6:01 am)

To piggy-back on dealership reputation… I’ve relocated to Central PA to Coral Springs, Fl three days after purchasing my 300Touring and the closest dealership to my home Fairbank’s Chrysler and their attitudes suck. Since I have an office in Sarasota I make it my business to have my car my car serviced at Sarasota Chrysler they understand the concept of stellar customer care .
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Re: A hard choice... [sls002] by blkhemi
Jul 22, 2006 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 22, 2006 8:19 am)

The LS is more car than any DTS will be. Main components are RWD, near stratisferic resale value and markedly better build quality. But for the price, a base DTS is a great deal, perhaps best in the mid-lux class.
 
As to the transmissions, the Navigator/Expedition uses the same 6-speed tranny as the 6.2L Caddy Escalade/GMC Yukon Denali, soon to be trickled down to the lesser models SUV's and trucks on both sides. The transmissions are modular and are configured to be both FWD/RWD-AWD. To bad GM wouldn't install it on the Lucerne/DTS platform. I know it's not to old of a platform/powertrain if the dated Ford platforms were able to upgrade.
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Re: A hard choice... [blkhemi] by sls002
Jul 23, 2006 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 22, 2006 11:58 am)

You are right, the Navigator does have a six speed, and has had a six speed for some time. However, this link: http://www.autospectator.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=68
Shows that the transmission is a ZF transmission, not a GM transmission. The gear ratios are the same as BMW's six speed.
 
Certainly GM could put a six speed FWD transmission on the DTS/Lucerne platform, the question is whether it is worth doing.
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Northstar Redeux by stevenw
Jul 24, 2006 (7:18 am)
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Sorry, should have mentioned I was talking about the first gen NS engines with the leaking oil pan gasket. I've been trying to sell my 1998 Aurora around town (after I bought my 300 Limited I have no need for the older car) and anyone who knows anything about first gen NS engines always asks me if the oil pan gasket has been replaced yet. If I say "no" they won't take the car if I give it to them. I'll have to sell it to a private party and tell them that it's their choice to replace it or not. I have chosen not to becasue I'm not going to put $2,000 into a $6,000 car. The occasional drips on the garage floor aren't that bothersome and the car is never low on oil so it's not a continuous or high volume leak - it's just annoying.
 
I did say that no one normally keeps their cars long enough to run into this problem implying that the car was older (in my case it's 8 years old).
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CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS TOPIC IS DORMANT by bremertong
Oct 02, 2006 (7:25 pm)
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These two fine cars do in many ways compete with each other.
Both sedans, both with great looks and engines and yet there have been no posts here for over two months. I think the decision to buy one or the other is helpful to know about and would greatly appreciate learning from others what conclusions they are drawing or drew in making the choice. I own a 2004 Deville which has been a good car for me but I have not received good service at the local Cadillac dealership so I am considering replacing it with a
300C when my warranty runs out in 2007. Are there things I should be considering in potentially making the switch, is the price to value better in one or the other? Any other recent news I should be looking at in evaluating which car to pick for my next? Hope this site will become active again soon.
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A more sensible comparison by sls002
Oct 03, 2006 (7:02 am)
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would be the Chrysler 300 with the Buick Lucerne. The Lucerne offers a V6 as well as the V8, as does the 300. The Lucerne is priced about the same as the 300 or at least is much closer than the DTS.
 
For really great service, legend has it that Rolls Royce is unmatched.....
#30 of 75
APPLES AND ORANGES by bremertong
Oct 03, 2006 (7:35 pm)
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To compare Cadillac, Chrysler and Rolls in the same vain is really amusing, I'm slightly sore from laughing!
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Re: APPLES AND ORANGES [bremertong] by sls002
Oct 04, 2006 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: bremertong (Oct 03, 2006 7:35 pm)

I found this forum quite amusing when it was started...

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