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#8 of 6956 Pardon the interruption, but by drfill Apr 07, 2004 (9:57 am)
The 2006 GS show in Detroit IS the next GS. Period.      The LF-S (Lexus Future Sedan) was mistakenly interpreted as the next GS, by me and anyone else because of it's size and sporty styling (It obviously is not the next LS!), but that fantasy was killed in Detroit.      That car will be the concept for the IS, as it is 95% production-spec, as are all Lexus/Toyota concepts.      This LF-C will be around the size of the Acura TL, just MUCH better looking, and RWD.      And you just saids it yourself, the LF-C (Lexus Future Coupe) is the Lexus IS Coupe of the Future.      Will Lexus make a coupe and sedan IS off of different plaforms? I doubt it. The rear end styling (especially the rear pillars) will be very different, but the car is similar in size and style to the LF-S shown earlier. Think G35/ G35 coupe.      The new IS family will spearhead Lexus in Europe and Japan in calendar year 2005.        LF-X (Lexus Future Crossover) will spring off the RX platform, with more performance and room, to share the $50k floor with the GX, and take sales from the FX and SRX.       DrFill
#9 of 6956 Also by drfill Apr 07, 2004 (10:00 am)
Obviously, the LF-S is 0% GS. I don't like the production GS, and think it is in for a long haul, unless Lexus really dials in some great Hybrid offshoot trims.      Releasing the LF-S before the GS production was a strange gaf by Lexus, an abhoration. The IS will be a HUGE success, if it comes to us anywhere near what it was in Tokyo. And with a rumored V8 variant!      DrFill
#10 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 07, 2004 (2:07 pm)
I don't mean to be offensive, so please don't take my comments that way, but I work with the industry and in the luxury segment in particular. Many of your comments seem to be based on your personal opinion but are just plain wrong. Some notes...   1. "The 2006 GS show in Detroit IS the next GS. Period."   That is correct and repeats what I said.   2. "The LF-S (Lexus Future Sedan) was mistakenly interpreted as the next GS, by me and anyone else because of it's size and sporty styling (It obviously is not the next LS!), but that fantasy was killed in Detroit."   You are not correct according to all the industry magazines (that the consumer does not see). The LF-S has two missions: 1.) Show the general styling direction of Lexus and 2.) Be a concept for the 2006 GS. It was supposed to represent about 80% of the GS's overall look. With the exception of the back end the front and sides are very close to the 2006 GS.   From the 11/3/03 Automotive News, one of the most respected industry magazines:   "Nearly 15 years after its creation, Lexus is getting its own design signature. The LF-S concept shows Lexus seriously wants to challenge BMW and Mercedes-Benz in the luxury car sector. Toyota executives believe Lexus needs its own design language to separate it from the Toyota brand and to help position it as a global premium brand. The LF-S is a concept version of the next GS 430, although sources say the show car is quite close to the production version."   3. "(The LF-S) That car will be the concept for the IS, as it is 95% production-spec, as are all Lexus/Toyota concepts."   Lexus concepts used to be nearly identical to the final production cars, but that was not the case here. The LF-S is nowhere near 95% production-spec. Again, the LF-S was the concept for the 2006 GS (see above). Also, look at the concept LF-X. That is hardly 95% production ready.   4. "And you just saids it yourself, the LF-C (Lexus Future Coupe) is the Lexus IS Coupe of the Future."   Yes, that is what I said. No argument there.   5. "Will Lexus make a coupe and sedan IS off of different plaforms? I doubt it. The rear end styling (especially the rear pillars) will be very different, but the car is similar in size and style to the LF-S shown earlier. Think G35/ G35 coupe."   No, the IS coupe and sedan will be built off the same platform. You are confusing the GS with the IS. I don't know where you are getting information about the styling of the rear of the IS sedan vs. the coupe; this has not been leaked anywhere. That is pure speculation on your part.   6. "LF-X (Lexus Future Crossover) will spring off the RX platform..."   This is completely false. The RX is built off a modified Camry platform and is front wheel drive. The LF-X is built off a modified GS platform and is rear wheel drive (if you discount the AWD portion).   7. "Obviously, the LF-S is 0% GS."   Again, see my comments above. All industry articles (which I have read and I doubt you have only because they are for industry eyes only) say the LF-S is the concept for the GS. And once again, a lot is similar except for the back end.   8. "The IS will be a HUGE success, if it comes to us anywhere near what it was in Tokyo."   Please show me what IS was shown in Tokyo - it wasn't. The LF-C is the very first hint at what the next IS will look like.   9. "This LF-C will be around the size of the Acura TL..."   Considering no dimensions have yet to be released on the LF-C you are once again purely speculating.
#11 of 6956 Not buying! by drfill Apr 07, 2004 (6:50 pm)
The GS and LF-S look NOTHING alike! 0%!      Love the LF-S. HATE the 2006 GS!      I hope these "Industry Sources" go the Pearle, because if they see a GS out of the LF-S, they need a check-up!      How would they pull the Detroit GS (bulbous and derivative of the current GS) out of the sleek, slender LF-S?      Toyota/Lexus has been putting the LF-X and LF-S in ads and on websites as the Future of Lexus in Japan, in particular.      We know what thew GS looks like. It doesn't look like the LF-S where I live, on Earth.      So the LF-S MUST BE the next IS! It's too sporty to be the next LS. And Toyota has already leaked a coupe version will be added.      So where is the mystery? The IS needs a revision, the GS has been released. The LF-S is NOTHING like the GS, so....ipso factso... you have the next IS/IS Coupe, in the G35 vain! Brilliant!      I should so work for Lexus!!      DrFill
#12 of 6956 lenscap by merc1 Apr 07, 2004 (8:31 pm)
I don't see how you can say the LF-S looks anything like the new GS. The two cars don't share anything in the way of looks. The LF-S is slim and light with a very careful looking roofline and a pinched rear end, the 06' GS is just the opposite and just a remake or updating of the 1998-2004 car. Working in the industry is fine, but the naked eye doesn't need the resume to see that these two cars aren't anywhere near being related. It doesn't even make sense to debut a concept that is supposed to represent eighty percent of the production car (per you) only to change the whole roofline, rear end and proportions for the actual production car. That doesn't even make sense. Someone at Toyota goofed by showing the LF-S before the new GS and saying that it (LF-S) is their new design direction, when obviously the 2006 GS was done before the new design direction was thought about or able to be implemented.   Look at every other concept debuted by Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, GM and others over the last few years, there are about a dozen or more, and they all look much closer in production trim to their concepts than this so called "eighty percent" LF-S to GS progression.   M
#14 of 6956 I stand corrected! by drfill Apr 08, 2004 (9:39 am)
They DO share a basic form, but the styling really took a dive! Scary how a few subtle changes can ruin a stellar design!       The IS on the other hand is TOTALLY new, and is a true concept! It won't look like that next year! Like the 4-seat hardtop convertible option and V8! These will do very nicely. 110" wheelbase! Very good.      DrFill
#15 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 08, 2004 (9:41 am)
It's hard for me to respond to your posts. You are making completely false statements such as the LF-X will spring from the RX platform and that the IS was shown last year in Tokyo.
#16 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 08, 2004 (9:43 am)
I like the LF-C as well. Maybe next year we can get a deal on the IS coupe if we buy two at the same time.
#17 of 6956 Kirstie... by lenscap Apr 08, 2004 (11:58 am)
...what happened to my link showing the LF-S and the 2006 GS side-by-side? That was my proof that the cars look similar!   I hope I didn't violate any rules. Please let me know what happened.

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