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#61 of 6956 by wale_bate1 Jun 15, 2004 (7:33 pm)
Saz ordered his SportCross, and my dealer offered to order mine (no green out there, you know), if I'd been willing to wait for delivery, and a few others here have done so. ETA is about ten weeks; about the same time to get a special order from Audi on an S4, according to the salesguy at my local Audi shop.   So Japanese delivery works for you? Cool. I think a trip to Japan to pick up an IS at the factory would be terrific. I don't see it happening, unfortunately. Or were you thinking European delivery for Lexus (doesn't make sense to me, but hey!)?   Bottom line is you can order your IS with cloth, if that's your priority, or base, or loaded if you like. All of which is beside the point of Lexus not having or wanting to compete in the market below $30K. It just doesn't jibe with their now very public business plan.   Which leaves us with the 2.0L I6. I'm still not certain how to build a business case in this country for an entry-lux "sport" sedan that runs its best 0-60 in 9.5 seconds or in most common trim at 11.2.   I'll be interested to see what performance can be had from the 3.0L V6, as well as what the larger plant size ends up being. I doubt they'll bring the V8 for the tuned model (whenever that appears) but I could be very much mistaken. Since they're going to bump up the size of the car five inches by five inches, adding a V8 option would pretty much all but take the wind out of the GS's sails.
#62 of 6956 This and That by riez Jun 16, 2004 (4:07 am)
wale_bate1... I mentioned Euro-delivery for other marques because Japan Inc., unfortunately, doesn't offer Japan-delivery.   Bet Lexus will be watching closely at BMW's 1 and 2 Series. Without something like an IS200, Lexus won't have anything to compete other than used cars. Lexus' business plan has been SUV-heavy for years now. Not sure there is end in sight, though that depends heavily on what Lexus does with the next IS. Will they offer all the variants like sedan, coupe, and convertible, AWD, and different engine choices?   Does ordering from Lexus allow you to customize your car like you can with other marques? Some other marques allow you to order options or combinations of options that aren't otherwise available. For example, could you get cloth seats with LSD, VSC, sunroof, and heated seats? Not sure their factory is set up to allow customization like BMW or MB do in Europe and are starting to do more in USA.
#63 of 6956 by pzev Jun 23, 2004 (12:08 pm)
Well I have to be realistic and know a 250hp V6 is as low as they'll go, but I don't want Lexus to be too stuck up and feel the MSRP price can't drop below $30k. My idea of a good bare bones IS300 would be have the 250hp V6 but leave off the sunroof, maybe leather and stability control, power passenger seat, HID, and things like that. These things quickly add up and can potentially shave $3,000 off the price of the car. I just hope they don't take the ES300 route and make a sunroof standard but leather is optional. Although I don't object to having cloth, I do feel $30,000 is too much money to be paying for a cloth-equipped car. Headroom is an issue for me so why must sunroofs always be considered a required luxury feature and placed higher priority over leather. Cloth in an ES300 with that much wood in the interior just seems weird anyway, but the sunroof was given priority first. No sunroof also has other benefits, less weight, less money, more headroom, etc.   I'm skeptical though because Infiniti made the $27,000 cloth G35 just to simply match the base price of the BMW 3-series. In fact I think they had duplicate prices so had the BMW had a higher price I would guess Nissan wouldn't have even bothered with the cloth model. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Jul 12, 2004 4:11 pm) pzev (Jul 14, 2004 7:38 am)
#64 of 6956 Exterior stuff by steven2 Jun 23, 2004 (6:28 pm)
Will the exterior, particularly the tailights, be improved visually? I don't want to lok at eye sores like the current IS, or boring, bland LS lights. Everything else I am not worried about, it's Lexus guys, c'mon.
#65 of 6956 by jmess Jun 23, 2004 (8:37 pm)
The impact the Altezza/IS200/300 taillights had on the aftermarket and OEM taillight designs was pretty amazing. Toyota was really way ahead of the game in 97 when the Altezza hit the streets. I hope they push the envelop again with the new IS.
#66 of 6956 Avoid Radical Design by riez Jun 24, 2004 (4:12 am)
Exterior design is highly subjective. I much prefer a tasteful evolution of a conservative design than a radical redesign. Preserve continuity. That is what BMW has done so well with the 3 Series since the 1970s.   I'd like to think the IS will be around in 2020.   Just look at the BMW 5 & 7 Series fiascos and the new Audi front end is horrible.
#67 of 6956 steven2 by pzev Jun 24, 2004 (10:24 am)
I think someone from Lexus said anything youthful/extreme can be reserved for the coupe version, so that leads me to believe the sedan will be fairly conservative, at least compared to the current IS300. Judging from the sales numbers, average age of the buyer of the current IS300, and them wanting the IS300 to be a volume seller, it's obvious they won't be as extreme as the current IS300 except for maybe the coupe.   I'm assuming Japan will have both the Lexus IS300 and the next Altezza since Lexus is now being offered in Japan. If they want a car like the current IS300 to stick around simply bring over the next Altezza and badge it as a Toyota. But with the launch of Scion and Toyota USA striving to be the next Buick this wouldn't fall into their current plans.
#68 of 6956 Thanks by steven2 Jun 24, 2004 (11:28 am)
Across the street I have to see an 01 white IS300 every morning and night...maybe the white was the problem   and btw, I thought the new BMW design worked great on the 5 series wagon, and terrific on the 7 series
#69 of 6956 by setzer Jul 12, 2004 (3:35 pm)
I think the current IS is boring. I dont have a problem with the other Lexuses. It's just that I see the front end looks bland (and some people call the TSX bland!) and the rear taillights remind me some-what of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo. I'm not saying that's bad, but Lexus taillights shouldn't remind one of the taillights of a Mitsu.. I think the current IS300 is a good car, but it could be better, inside and out. I think that's why it is still being outsold by many others, including the G35, TL, and 3-series.
#70 of 6956 Re: [pzev #61] by alpha01 Jul 12, 2004 (4:11 pm)
Replying to: pzev (Jun 23, 2004 12:08 pm) Leather was made standard on the ES series for the 2004 model year, so your ranting is a bit outdated. FWIW, Id happily have a sunroof over leather, especially if the leather seating option isnt offered with some type of cooling system. Thankfully, this is how Honda equips its Accord EXs, and I dont see many people complaining about it.   Id like to see the next IS with the next gen stability control and a Scion tC-like sunroof standard. Dont care too much about leather, but Im sure most will have it anyway.   ~alpha Replies to this message: pzev (Jul 14, 2004 7:38 am)

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