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#2 of 6956 Lexus IS 350 and IS 250 by drfill Jun 14, 2006 (8:10 am)
#3 of 6956 The Next Lexus IS! by drfill Apr 06, 2004 (9:54 am)
If you saw the LF-S at the '03 Tokyo Auto Show, or the LF-C at the '04 NY Auto Show, you have seen the future Lexus IS family. Think G35 and G35 coupe, only with a sexier sedan! The coupe is already sporting a V8, with convertible and High-perforance variants to follow.      The average IS buyer is only 30 years old! So Lexus will make the IS line larger, more versatile, and more spirited this time, and will directly target G35/330i customers. This model will hopefully sell well in Europe as well.      DrFill Replies to this message: pdc5 (Jan 14, 2006 1:08 pm) trackstarr (May 24, 2007 3:22 pm) lovemyclk (Jul 03, 2007 1:42 pm) kc567567 (Jul 03, 2007 6:56 pm)
#4 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 06, 2004 (10:31 am)
The LF-S, although it shows the general styling direction Lexus is taking, is the concept version of the 2006 production GS, not the IS.   You're right, the next IS seems like it will be somethig special.
#5 of 6956 ??? by drfill Apr 06, 2004 (8:20 pm)
That's not the picture I'm getting!      The GS came out at NAIAS, and the IS came out in Tokyo. The LF-C will be the coupe version of the LF-S, or an 2006 IS Coupe.      Toyota concepts are historically 98% production-spec. I'll see Saturday at the show!      DrFill
#6 of 6956 by sphinx99 Apr 07, 2004 (4:06 am)
Hopefully this time it'll have more power than the typical V6 family sedan.
#7 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 07, 2004 (9:34 am)
I have several articles on Lexus from Automotive News, the industry trade publication. Here is what those articles have said over the past few months:   1. The LF-S that was shown at Tokyo in October 2003 was the concept version of the 2006 GS production sedan. The LF-S, along with the LF-X crossover, are the first two models to show the future design direction of Lexus. The LF-S is described as being 80% of the production GS.   2. The production version of the GS is unveiled in Detroit in January 2004.   3. The LF-C is NOT a coupe version of the LF-S (just the same as neither of these cars are variations of the LF-X). It is the third car to show the new Lexus design and is a concept version of the next-generation IS coupe.   I think since Lexus is using the description "LF" you are mistaking them to be variations of the same car. But again, they are not...the LF-S, LF-X and LF-C are labeled as such because they are all "Lexus Future" concept cars.   I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say the "IS came out in Tokyo." The next IS has not been shown yet and is 1.5-2 years away from launch.   Also, you are right most Toyota concepts are close to production-spec. But some, such as the LF-S/2006 GS, are not.   Please report back after the show. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the LF-C.
#8 of 6956 Pardon the interruption, but by drfill Apr 07, 2004 (9:57 am)
The 2006 GS show in Detroit IS the next GS. Period.      The LF-S (Lexus Future Sedan) was mistakenly interpreted as the next GS, by me and anyone else because of it's size and sporty styling (It obviously is not the next LS!), but that fantasy was killed in Detroit.      That car will be the concept for the IS, as it is 95% production-spec, as are all Lexus/Toyota concepts.      This LF-C will be around the size of the Acura TL, just MUCH better looking, and RWD.      And you just saids it yourself, the LF-C (Lexus Future Coupe) is the Lexus IS Coupe of the Future.      Will Lexus make a coupe and sedan IS off of different plaforms? I doubt it. The rear end styling (especially the rear pillars) will be very different, but the car is similar in size and style to the LF-S shown earlier. Think G35/ G35 coupe.      The new IS family will spearhead Lexus in Europe and Japan in calendar year 2005.        LF-X (Lexus Future Crossover) will spring off the RX platform, with more performance and room, to share the $50k floor with the GX, and take sales from the FX and SRX.       DrFill
#9 of 6956 Also by drfill Apr 07, 2004 (10:00 am)
Obviously, the LF-S is 0% GS. I don't like the production GS, and think it is in for a long haul, unless Lexus really dials in some great Hybrid offshoot trims.      Releasing the LF-S before the GS production was a strange gaf by Lexus, an abhoration. The IS will be a HUGE success, if it comes to us anywhere near what it was in Tokyo. And with a rumored V8 variant!      DrFill
#10 of 6956 DrFill by lenscap Apr 07, 2004 (2:07 pm)
I don't mean to be offensive, so please don't take my comments that way, but I work with the industry and in the luxury segment in particular. Many of your comments seem to be based on your personal opinion but are just plain wrong. Some notes...   1. "The 2006 GS show in Detroit IS the next GS. Period."   That is correct and repeats what I said.   2. "The LF-S (Lexus Future Sedan) was mistakenly interpreted as the next GS, by me and anyone else because of it's size and sporty styling (It obviously is not the next LS!), but that fantasy was killed in Detroit."   You are not correct according to all the industry magazines (that the consumer does not see). The LF-S has two missions: 1.) Show the general styling direction of Lexus and 2.) Be a concept for the 2006 GS. It was supposed to represent about 80% of the GS's overall look. With the exception of the back end the front and sides are very close to the 2006 GS.   From the 11/3/03 Automotive News, one of the most respected industry magazines:   "Nearly 15 years after its creation, Lexus is getting its own design signature. The LF-S concept shows Lexus seriously wants to challenge BMW and Mercedes-Benz in the luxury car sector. Toyota executives believe Lexus needs its own design language to separate it from the Toyota brand and to help position it as a global premium brand. The LF-S is a concept version of the next GS 430, although sources say the show car is quite close to the production version."   3. "(The LF-S) That car will be the concept for the IS, as it is 95% production-spec, as are all Lexus/Toyota concepts."   Lexus concepts used to be nearly identical to the final production cars, but that was not the case here. The LF-S is nowhere near 95% production-spec. Again, the LF-S was the concept for the 2006 GS (see above). Also, look at the concept LF-X. That is hardly 95% production ready.   4. "And you just saids it yourself, the LF-C (Lexus Future Coupe) is the Lexus IS Coupe of the Future."   Yes, that is what I said. No argument there.   5. "Will Lexus make a coupe and sedan IS off of different plaforms? I doubt it. The rear end styling (especially the rear pillars) will be very different, but the car is similar in size and style to the LF-S shown earlier. Think G35/ G35 coupe."   No, the IS coupe and sedan will be built off the same platform. You are confusing the GS with the IS. I don't know where you are getting information about the styling of the rear of the IS sedan vs. the coupe; this has not been leaked anywhere. That is pure speculation on your part.   6. "LF-X (Lexus Future Crossover) will spring off the RX platform..."   This is completely false. The RX is built off a modified Camry platform and is front wheel drive. The LF-X is built off a modified GS platform and is rear wheel drive (if you discount the AWD portion).   7. "Obviously, the LF-S is 0% GS."   Again, see my comments above. All industry articles (which I have read and I doubt you have only because they are for industry eyes only) say the LF-S is the concept for the GS. And once again, a lot is similar except for the back end.   8. "The IS will be a HUGE success, if it comes to us anywhere near what it was in Tokyo."   Please show me what IS was shown in Tokyo - it wasn't. The LF-C is the very first hint at what the next IS will look like.   9. "This LF-C will be around the size of the Acura TL..."   Considering no dimensions have yet to be released on the LF-C you are once again purely speculating.

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