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#61 of 1087 Re: New Charger launch date? [itsnotacharger] by jimhemi Oct 22, 2004 (7:55 am)
Replying to: itsnotacharger (Oct 21, 2004 1:03 pm) The new Polara I mean Charger? Would you have a link to the "Great Pumpkin"? I agree, Dieter needs to be brought up on charges for such an abomination to an automobile. The 99 concept made people stand up and take notice. It was innovative in design and concept. I was no fan of the super charged propane motor, but again concept, they have the Hemi. The 99 Charger with the 6.1Hemi to be put into the 300C SRT version sure would have been nice. With those looks and performance I wouldn't mind trying to take a few vettes here and their. Thank you Dieter for ruining the dreams of so many Mopar fans. How did this current Charger get your signature of approval? To much beer and weiner schnitzle?
#62 of 1087 The Mutation of the Dodge Charger by itsnotacharger Oct 22, 2004 (1:55 pm)
In Daimler's Spin Zone..."The Detroit News"...Chrysler's design chief Trevor Creed is quoted as saying, "...If the Charger had lived, this is how I believe it would have evolved."   Well then, someone should slap Charles Darwin because the depiction that I saw of the new Charger was a vile and grotesque mutation, not an evolutionary improvement upon the appealing lines and aggressive stance that were the Charger's origin.   Instead of Mr. Creed bringing us "The Origin of Species," he has brought us "The Origin of Feces," because that is what his vision of the new Charger looks like.   For the evolutionary process there has to be at least some of the original DNA present at the end of each change. In the case of the new Charger there is absolutely none.   Instead, the common house fly has more in common with the American Bald Eagle than this new imposter vehicle has with the original Chargers. Furthermore, if this designer had been put in charge of the evolution of the dinosaurs, I would have voted for their extinction.   Daimler's design department may have whiz kids, super computers and 3-D modeling, but I believe that they may have gotten better results using an "Etch-A-Sketch," a monkey and a bottle of Jim Beam." At the least it may have gotten them away from their apparent fixation with the Ford Maverick.   Now in Singapore a person can be caned for spray-painting graffiti on automobiles. Tell me, what is the penalty for using a "Bait & Switch" routine: First, showcasing the exciting '99 Charger concept car, and then secondly, spreading graffiti across the muscle car heritage of the Chrysler Corporation and upon its loyal customers?   In closing, I apologize to Mr. Creed if these comments appear too harsh, but on this day it is too difficult to restrain the tremendous disappointment that this former Daimler-Chrysler customer now feels.
#63 of 1087 Thank goodness my Magnum arrived last week! by hardhawk Oct 27, 2004 (11:41 am)
After seeing the Charger pics I am certainly thankful I didn't wait for it. Went with the Magnum for the extra cargo room. The bonus is that NO ONE is offended at DCX for using the Magnum name on this new car. My Magnum looks SO much better than the less expensive Cordoba that wore the Magnum name before. The Charger name is special and should have been saved for a truly special car. By the way, I am 6'4" and I can see out of the Magnum just fine. I love it and it has so much room for the family and all their stuff. Replies to this message: dblagent (Oct 27, 2004 6:22 pm) wale_bate1 (Oct 28, 2004 7:47 am) hardhawk (Oct 28, 2004 7:56 am)
#64 of 1087 Is the problem just the name?? by dblagent Oct 27, 2004 (6:22 pm)
Replying to: hardhawk (Oct 27, 2004 11:41 am) Is everyone hating this car just because of the name? I like what I have seen so far of the car - as far as the name, how can this be any worse than how bad they allready screwed up the Charger name? They have many other names they can reuse if they wnat to so I don't see the problem. It can do no worse than the last Charger. Other than the name, what does everyone think?   Please don't kill me for this by the way! Replies to this message: wale_bate1 (Oct 28, 2004 7:47 am) hardhawk (Oct 28, 2004 7:56 am)
#65 of 1087 Re: Is the problem just the name?? [dblagent] by wale_bate1 Oct 28, 2004 (7:47 am)
Replying to: dblagent (Oct 27, 2004 6:22 pm) "Please don't kill me for this by the way! "   Awright lads, pitchforks and scythes at the ready - GET 'IM!   I can speak for me (unusual) and one or two others with a medium sense of history, I think. Yes, the name is a sticking point given the initial visual personality of the car. It doesn't look much like a Charger should, IMO.   But that begs perspective, and I can furnish two small points of said same:   A) Mustang. The car is a study in heritage. It is an appropriately updated gleening of key nostalgic styling cues brought together in a wholly current synthesis. It's an example of what retro can be at it's best, IMO (not unlike the PT). Others may think retro is a step backward; I say that depends on how well you do it, and right now Ford is aces. When many of us heard the name "Charger" being whispered once again, the excellent Mustang execution kind of popped in and the saliva started to flow.   B) '99 Charger Concept. This dovetails perfectly to Mustang, IMO. The concept on the show circuit (and the Dodge website, BTW) from 1999 to earlier this year was exactly that kind of retro embodied in the new Mustang. The cues were more or less unmistakable and the design was so well synthesized that you had to look carefully to see that it was a four-door. When we heard "Charger", we (I) thought of this concept paired with Mustang-like execution and got positively sweaty!   That's the problem I think. Feels like a major bait and switch to me. They dangled fresh Beluga caviar on Melba toast in front of me and delivered Cheez-Whiz on a Ritz. It may be seriously wicked Cheez-Whiz, but it ain't what I was looking for at all.   That's about it for me!
#66 of 1087 Re: Is the problem just the name?? [dblagent] by hardhawk Oct 28, 2004 (7:56 am)
Replying to: dblagent (Oct 27, 2004 6:22 pm) For me, I just don't care for the looks of the Charger. However, some don't like the look of the Magnum that I like, so to each his/her own on that issue. Also, the Charger was always a sport coupe in it's heyday, which is what I remember as a kid in the 60's and 70's. So, that name on a sedan does not do it for me. Had it been put on a retro sporty new coupe with the Hemi engine and other performance bits, I would not have the same objections.
#67 of 1087 by wale_bate1 Oct 28, 2004 (8:12 am)
Aside from the Ram grille, the Magnum is tops with me. If I needed a machine anywhere near that big, I'd look it over seriously.   Basically, it's hard to disagree in part with you, hardhawk. A coupe would have been more palatable than this sedan, but for me, the '99 "sedan" would have been better (much) still. It's just so much more "Charger" to me.   The current idiom for Dodge and Chrysler is just a little too chunky and in-your-face to make me want to see it across the line. I'll accept it to a certain extent in the 300 and the Mag, but to apply it liberally seems too Cadillac-wannabe. Kind of trying too hard to be different, which is pretty common out there right now... Replies to this message: soren (Jan 10, 2005 4:57 pm)
#68 of 1087 New Charger launch date? by itsnotacharger Oct 28, 2004 (12:38 pm)
Daimler has recently released a sketch of an orange '05 Dodge Charger.   Some speculate that because the horrifying orange beast with the ridiculously overbearing grill looks like a jack-o-lantern, or "The Great Pumpkin" from the Charlie Brown Halloween specials, that its launch date will in fact be Halloween.   While this may be a laughing matter for Chrysler's competition, this abortion of automotive engineering will certainly scare many perspective customers away.   Daimler's Dr. Dieter Zetsche should be slapped with a malpractice lawsuit for the Bait & Switch he has perpetrated by replacing the true heir to the Charger...the '99 Charger concept car...with "The Great Pumpkin."   Good Grief Dieter Braun
#70 of 1087 Dodge Charger Revealed by oedipus1608 Dec 26, 2004 (6:10 pm)
http://img149.exs.cx/img149/4601/picture04034ik.jpg   http://img94.exs.cx/img94/5839/picture03920zl.jpg   Source: Motortrend

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